I agree with you Tim.
I have friends from Kosovo. Down there they are still arguing about
wrongs that were done 600 years ago. In that time they have had
people, a few, but enough, trying to wipe the others out again and
again, but the dead always have kids and relatives who remember. Some
of them want revenge, and the revenge often hurts the innocent who in
turn will have relatives and children to remember the wrongs that were
made.
I think history tells us that wiping people out does not help. Maybe
we should learn from Machiavelli who set out to teach one of the worst
dictators of his time. If we have to do something bad then do it
quick, and follow up by doing good over a long period of time. Then
the prince will be loved.
DagT
http://dag.foto.no
På 15. jul. 2005 kl. 23.50 skrev Tim Øsleby:
Keith.
I don't want to start a debate, there is no point, and we simply
disagree.
But I feel strongly for saying this: Statements like yours scares the
shit
out of me. I also find it a bit offensive.
Let me add. I do sympathise deeply with the victims of the events, and
I'm
not a Muslim. I'm just a thinking feeling human being. IMO; there is
little
difference between the ideas you talk about, and the actual terror.
Killing
people is killing people, whatever the reasons might be.
This said: I'm mostly harmless.
What I'm trying to say now is; I want to have a good relation with
everybody
on this list, including you. I just had to get this out of my system.
Ok?
Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
-----Original Message-----
From: keithw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 7. juli 2005 21:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OT: London Horror
Jim Hemenway wrote:
Still if our governments were truely making war on terror those guys
would be to busy ducking and dodging to do things like that. Instead
we
have some politicians' personal agenda.
Absolutely correct!
Jim
If you guys think so...
To me that's just so many meadow muffins.
Amrchair generals that know nothing about how to fight an insurgent
war,
driven by a wildly aberrant religious fanatics... No, them, not us...
We may still need a reprise of the Crusades (except with no Christian
banners,) to finally wipe them out.
Two salient facts, one is you MUST wipe the extremist, fatalistic
Muslims out, or like Medusa, they keep growing back: and two, while our
(the civilized world's) goals are to live and enjoy life, theirs is to
die and see if what they've been lied to about is really true....
No lie...we've got years and years to go, to win THIS particular war.
The first thing we ought to do is declare an actual WAR! Which we've
not
yet done. Make it a class-action suit, so it catches all the bad guys.
Quite unfortunately, the majorly pussy Liberal-leaning American public
will never stand for a proper effort. Nothing like an effete citizenry
to keep your country strong and on an even keel. Uh huh.
We, the U.S., might as well get used to being thought of like the
French, militarily. Start things but too chicken-s*** to finish it
properly. WE let the civilians run the war. Just like 'Nam.
And you know how that turned out!
Our troops are still performing very well, but it's their mommas that
will bring them home before the time is right.
And the chicken-s*** legislators will be the ones who are listening to
the whining mommas, and THEY will see to it that funding is cut, and
the
troops are brought home ~ much too early.
There goes the old reputation for being one of the world's premier
fighting forces. Down the tubes.
WE need legislators with some balls. Sadly, we don't have enough of
them.
keith whaley
Graywolf wrote:
Still if our governments were truely making war on terror those guys
would be to busy ducking and dodging to do things like that. Instead
we
have some politicians' personal agenda.
I am glad everybody I know over there (mostly list folks) are OK. My
symphathy to those who have lost loved ones.
graywolf
