> As you have alluded to, that's mostly up to the person behind the 
>viewfinder.
>
Yep


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28. juli 2005 22:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?

Interesting analysis.  I agree mostly with the concepts but don't I believe 
there's enough cause/effect relationship to say that a digital camera makes 
one a better photographer.  I would say the answer to the question is still 
'No'. As you have alluded to, that's mostly up to the person behind the 
viewfinder.

I do believe that, even if one does not learn how to 'see' better, it allows

the opportunity to correct a flaw noticed on the instant review and either 
make the correction or alter the perspective or composition.  Does that 
constitute being a 'better photographer'?

It may be true if applying a quantitative definition, but not necesarially a

qualitative one.  Even a person that takes blase photographs, say a real 
estate agent, can use the camera in this manner to achieve a better success 
rate, but did it make them a better photographer?

Tom C.



>From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: Have digital cameras made us better photographers?
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:28:20 +0200
>
>Despite of what I've said earlier, about the camera being just a recorder,
>not a very significant part of the photographic tools, I do believe the
>answer to the title question is yes, a simple yes. Going digital has
>improved my skill a lot.
>
<snip>
>
>For me digital photo allows me to shoot a lot, without thinking of the
>costs. But it doesn’t mean that I shoot faster, and stop analysing.
>
>What I've said before is nothing more than what others have stated before 
>me
>in this thread. Give me a moment or two, to substantiate my thesis from a
>more professional (pedagogical) point of view. (I am a trained social
>worker, with pedagogic processes as one of my specialities). My arguments
>are based in behaviouristic psychological theory.
>
>
>One very important factor is the INSTANT FEEDBACK digital photo allows.
>
<snip>
>
>Guess you have already picked up my point here (if you haven’t, then I have
>been a lousy teacher). Regarding the technical aspect the digital camera
>gives me instant feedback. Every time I push the button, it gives me a
>picture (as long as I have remembered to remove the lens cap). Most times
>the picture looks ok at first glance. If I'm not so sure about the 
>technical
>quality, I simply push the info button. Viola, a histogram! I can push it
>one more time to remind me how I got this picture on screen.
>
>When done I can push the info button one more time, evaluating the content
>of the picture. I can see if the picture on screen is the same as the one I
>had inside my head when pushing the release button. Some times they 
>actually
>do match. That makes me feel like a king. That makes me eager to go on. 
>Most
>times they don't match. I see something in the background that I didn’t see
>in the first place. Or something else is wrong. Ok, then I tries one more
>time. Perhaps I move one step to the right, or perhaps I open the aperture
>to make the background out of focus. You have already got the idea.
>The first part of this process trains my technical skills. The last part
>trains my eye and stimulates my mind (my most important photographic 
>tools).
>
>
>Gradually, as I get better, the success rate increases. And from my
>experience it already has done that. A lot.
>
>The importance of rapid feedback when learning is well known among most
>behaviourists. We learn by getting feedback on the things we do. And the
>feedback has more impact when it comes directly/instantly. Let me try to
>explain why. If your brain has been occupied with other things while 
>waiting
>for the feedback, then it is harder to connect your previous actions with
>the feedback (the result of your action).
>
>
>Tim
>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)
>






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