I guess since Joe sounds sure about the powerfullness of his flash, it is probably not _that_ far, so he can still use it.
Joe, I don't know the exact answer to your original question (I hope somebody will respond soon). The manual says that with P-TTL it uses multi-segment metering (with MZ-S). I suspect, it would be the same way with (*ist D(S)). It looks like neither the flash nor the bodies (at least the digital ones and MZ-S) allow forcing the flash to work in the TTL mode, which IMHO would be the best (do they?). I would be also concerned that the pre-flash might scare away the birds. So, maybe you can do tests without the birds (even by using the A or M mode of the flash), adjust the settings, and just be ready for the birds to come? Good luck! Igor > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:35:45 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Spot Metering W/P-TTL Flash? > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I assume you're going to be using a fairly long lens? That flash isn't going > to be powerful enought to have much affect on the exposure outdoors. I'd try > shooting at ISO 400. Set exposure manually to one stop under a spot meter > reading on the bird feeder at as large an aperture as possible. Then use the > flash set to high speed synch at full power. Check your results and histogram > and adjust accordingly if necessary. But I'm guessing you'll be fairly close. > > > > Need advice, gang. > > > > My wife has set up a bird feeder that is the most popular thing (for birds) > > since day-old bread. Every time I try to approach with my camera on > > monopod, > > though, off they fly. I don't have time to wait for them to get used to me. > > But > > I can shoot them in the mornings from our kitchen window (with the window > > open). > > Trouble is, the feeder is in shade and the background is quite bright. I > > can > > shoot with the AF 360 FGZ flash to get enough light into the feeder itself. > > But > > how do I meter for this? If I set the cameras' meter to spot, will the *ist > > D's > > flash sensor read only that area, or will it insist on reading the whole > > scene > > (as, I believe, P-TTL does)? > > > > Yes, I could probably calculate the flash manually, but I have paid for all > > this > > automation, and I want to use it. > > > > Advice appreciated. > > > > Joe > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Photoshop Bridge - update to 1.0.2 (Was: Work Flow Question) > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 10:38:53 +0100, David wrote: > > > Here's my problem: > > > > For my business (read hobby) I process 1500-2000 jpgs from one day into > > web galleries and most of the images need to be rotated. Before I switched > > to CS2 I used Photoshop's file browser to "rotate" the images so when the > > galleries were made the images are rotate but the originals remain > > unchanged. But when I switched to CS2 adobe bridge runs at a snails pace > > making my former work flow unbearably slow. Does anyone know of a > > different image browser that works like adobe's that just marks images to > > be rotated rather than rotating them and resaving them? The only solutions > > I've come up with is creating 2 copies of the same images, rotating one > > set, making the gallery, then deleting the rotated images (this runs just > > as slow if not slower than waiting for Bridge). > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > David > > David, > > You might have done so, but if not, you might want to update Bridge. > If you go to the Adobe web-site, chose Support->Downloads , > and then for Bridge follow the link corresponding to your OS (Win/Mac),- > you should be able to download the update for Bridge v. 1.0.2. > This version appears to work noticeably faster (especially > after the initial hit when it's done caching image information). > > Also, if you haven't done so, > I'd recommend you downloading the updated 3.1 camera and DNG > from the same page (chose Photoshop). > > I hope that helps, > > Igor > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:59:10 -0600 > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Warning - Juvenile politically incorrect joke follows... I can't help it... > > Q: What do you call a man with no arms and no legs water skiing? > > A: Skip > > Tom C. > > > > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > >Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:08:24 -0400 > > > ><Children s Chorus> Mrs. Wilson, Mrs Wilson, Can Billy come out and play > >Baseball? > ><Mrs. Wilson> Children, you know Billy doesn't have any arms or legs. > ><Children s Chorus> That's all right Mrs. Wilson, we want him to be second > >base. > > > >Kenneth Waller wrote: > > > >>Warning - Juvenile politically incorrect joke follows... > >> > >>Q: What do you call a man with no arms or legs floating in the water? > >> > >>Bob > >> > >> > >>Kenneth Waller > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Aug 9, 2005 2:04 PM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > >> > >>Warning - Juvenile politically incorrect joke follows... > >> > >>Q: What do you call a man with no arms or legs hanging on the wall? > >> > >>A: Art > >> > >>Tom C. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > >>>Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:38:25 -0700 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>However, don't ask me what Fine Art is (as opposed to any other type > >>>>of art. Now that I think of it, don't ask me what Art is, as I have > >>>>no satisfactory, all-encompassing definition. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>That's easy. Fine art is very expensive and usually done by some old > >>>dead > >>>guy. :) > >>>They teach courses on that and most instructors or graduates can't give a > >>>concise definition. > >>> > >>>Powell > >>>who's main job is to nail (fine and other) art to the wall. > >>> > >>> > >>>Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Digital Imaging http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep > >>>Nanaimo Art Gallery http://nanaimogallery.ca > >>>Nanaimo, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________________ > >>PeoplePC Online > >>A better way to Internet > >>http://www.peoplepc.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:15:16 +0100 > From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > It seems that if we were not > > programmed to react in a certain way to a bent-over woman, it > > wouldn't distract??? If she were facing forward, the > > composition would apparently be okay??? > > No, not as far as I'm concerned. It's not the botty, or the fact that it's a > woman, it's the compositional element. You could put anything - or nothing - > there, and it would detract from the point of the photograph. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:01:27 +0200 > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tim_=D8sleby?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: PESO:A "basement rock" image > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hope you don't get bored with my rock images. > Positive feedback on previous photos, has made me hungry for more feedback > So, you have only yourself to blame ;-) > > The name of the band is "King Midas". Still from Malakoff Rockfestival. > This time I've made my first serious(?) attempt to convert a picture to b&w. > > Added a bit of artificial grain to make it more like a classic "basement > rock" picture. Felt it suited the blurriness well. > > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=188490 > > The original version is also online. Comments are very welcome. Both on the > picture it self, and on my photoshoping (Elements 3) > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:06:20 +0200 > From: Vic Mortelmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: interior photography > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Thanks for all the suggestions, all of you! > > Oh my god, in the end, I was urged to use my digital camera instead > (limited to focus of 35mm eq.), because there was no time. > > Anyway, the results are here: > > http://users.pandora.be/vicmortelmans/fts/caroline/index.html > > The vertical lines are not what they should have been (even though I > used a tripod). Certainly in the garden, the direct sunlight causes too > much contrast. I think the available light on the interior is very > satisfying, even the shot with the two windows that looks 'burned', > because it's a good thing for a house to stress available light. > > Groeten, > > Vic > > Vic Mortelmans wrote: > > Hello, > > > > next week, I'm going to make some photo's of a house interior for a > > friend. The house is to be sold and the pictures are to be used as > > illustration for the sales announcement. Does any of you have experience > > with that? > > > > Some idea's of myself: > > > > - using my widest-angle lens (24mm Super-multi-coated-takumar) to get as > > much as possible on the picture > > - the lens is not very fast, but has a good depth of field, even wide > > open... > > - ISO400 color film (no AGFA, got bad experience with that on > > granularity; I have some roles of Kodak Ultra, is that any better?) > > - camera would be Spotmatic F or Super A (with mount adaptor)... I only > > bought the Super A very recently, and I noticed the meter is off, at > > least compared to the Spotmatic F; the first roll on the Super A is > > still being developed, so I'll need te results to 'trust' it's meter > > - using a tripod to take advantage of available light as much as possible > > - compensate exposure to eliminate effect of visible windows on the > > light meter > > - view horizontally, not to distort perspective > > > > Do you think these are good guidelines to produce a quality set of > > pictures? > > > > What do you think about using flash? My only experience in flash > > photography is direct flash and reading aperture setting from a label on > > the flash, based on ISO and distance... I don't really think this will > > work out for interior photography, especially since I'll be using very > > wide angle and target object distance typically covers a wide range. I > > assume that indirect flashlight may help, but I have no > > TTL-flash-metering, so no clue what exposure settings to use (yes, I > > have the Super A, but as far as I understand, It'll only do TTL with a > > dedicated Pentax flash, like the AF280T + an A-SMC lens). > > Could I just meter and expose for available light, flash indirectly and > > compensate for that with two stops (just a guess), to have at least some > > fill-in flash? > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Once it's done, I'll publish some of the > > pictures. > > > > Groeten, > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:13:53 +0100 > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "pentax list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Another day at the office > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 9/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Yeah. > >I send the shot to my wife, and all she said, "Cotty has a wonderful job!" > > > >Got any comments, Cot? ;-) > > Very occasionally it's boring as hell. It's always sweaty. It's 30,000 > miles a year in the car. It's lunch on your lap while driving. It's as > glamourous as a ruptured verruca infested with gnats larvae. But yeah, > it's the best job in the world. > > For example, take my wife. > > Please. > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com > _____________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:22:01 +0100 > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "pentax list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 9/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: > > > Anyway, we've probably milked this for all it's worth. > > Oh for goodness' sake Paul, you *must* be joking. This is the PDML. > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com > _____________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:44:46 +0200 > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tim_=D8sleby?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: PESO - The Pyramid > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > This is a nice shot, IMHO. I like the haze (adds perspective), I love the > colours, and I do like the general composition. But I dislike the sky in top > of frame, distracting, doesn't add anything to the image. > > Emotionally, it makes me feel humble towards Mother Nature. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 4. august 2005 18:26 > To: [email protected] > Subject: PESO - The Pyramid > > Taken halfway up the plateau looking out over Valley of the Gods. The > empty foreground and compressed perspective of the formation and > background mountains hopefully conveys the immensity of the scene. > > Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld > ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/9.5 > Converted from Raw using Capture One LE > > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0483.htm > > Thoughts appreciated. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:15:15 -0500 > From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: PESO: Countdown to the Dream Cruise > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Paul, that pic is simply outstanding. Thanks for sharing. > > rg > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Two weeks to the Dream Cruise and traffic is building on Woodward > > Avenue. Must have been several thousand enthusiast type cars of various > > genres out tonight. In two weeks there will be 50,000 or so. But there > > were enough tonight that the Royal Oak police -- macho idiots that they > > are -- started clearing parking lots at 9 PM. If you could see the crowd > > of cruisers, you'd know that's something akin to raiding a nursing home, > > but I digress. I went out and shot some swish pans with a short lens and > > a very slow shutter speed. This one was with the FA 35/2 @ 5.6, 1/8th > > second. The cool thing about this technique (short lens, long exposure) > > is that, if done correctly, it yields just one point of focus somewhere > > near the middle of the car. The misses outnumber the hits of course, but > > I like this one. I think it's an early 70s Pontiac GTO and an > > unidentified Mopar. > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3610553&size=lg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:20:08 -0500 > From: "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Bob W wrote: > > >>It seems that if we were not > >>programmed to react in a certain way to a bent-over woman, it > >>wouldn't distract??? If she were facing forward, the > >>composition would apparently be okay??? > >> > >> > > > >No, not as far as I'm concerned. It's not the botty, or the fact that it's a > >woman, it's the compositional element. You could put anything - or nothing - > >there, and it would detract from the point of the photograph. > > > I agree with Bob, but I think everyone who objects to the picture *on > the basis of poor composition* has already said so, quite clearly, and > the people who imagine that all the complaints arise from "prudishness" > or "prurient interest" will continue to imagine so regardless of all > plainly-stated explanations to the contrary. > > ERNR > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:23:06 -0700 > From: Jim Apilado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: OT- Kodak Ektra Sold on eBay. > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Forgot about the Rollei. I considered getting one of those, but they were > pretty expensive. > > Jim A. > > > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:03:51 -0700 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: OT- Kodak Ektra Sold on eBay. > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:03:56 -0400 > > > > Various Zeiss Ikon models (I think the Contarex or Contaflex) > > supported interchangeable backs. Also, in a more modern era, Rollei > > made a 35mm SLR system with interchangeable backs ... the 3003? or > > something like that. > > > > Godfrey > > > > On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> What was the name of the 35mm camera that also featured > >> interchangeable > >> backs like the Ektra? > >> > >> Jim A. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> At the local collector's club auction this past Memorial Day > >>> a complete Ektra outfit went for about ... wait ... memory > >>> failing ... > >>> was it $5k or $10k. Anyway, a bunch. All as new in boxes. > >>> Really a nice outfit. > >>> > >>> Collin > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at > >>> http://mail2web.com/ . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:28:01 -0700 > From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: =?ISO-8859-1?B?VGltINhzbGVieQ==?= <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: PESO - The Pyramid > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Thanks, Tim. I did try cropping the sky off, but didn't like the loss > of finality to the mountains in the rear. It lost the perception of > the size of the mountain because you couldn't see the top. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Tuesday, August 9, 2005, 2:44:46 PM, you wrote: > > TØ> This is a nice shot, IMHO. I like the haze (adds perspective), I love the > TØ> colours, and I do like the general composition. But I dislike the sky in > top > TØ> of frame, distracting, doesn't add anything to the image. > > TØ> Emotionally, it makes me feel humble towards Mother Nature. > > > TØ> Tim > TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.) > > TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > TØ> -----Original Message----- > TØ> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > TØ> Sent: 4. august 2005 18:26 > TØ> To: [email protected] > TØ> Subject: PESO - The Pyramid > > TØ> Taken halfway up the plateau looking out over Valley of the Gods. The > TØ> empty foreground and compressed perspective of the formation and > TØ> background mountains hopefully conveys the immensity of the scene. > > TØ> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld > TØ> ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/9.5 > TØ> Converted from Raw using Capture One LE > > TØ> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0483.htm > > TØ> Thoughts appreciated. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:08:47 +0100 > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "pentax list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 8/8/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >> I've got a couple of beer in the fridge. > >> You could all come over to my place... > > > >Love to; it's a bit of a drive from San Jose, however. > > Do you know the way? > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com > _____________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:56:10 +0300 > From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: PESO: NO PASSARAN > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hi! > > > Thanks Boris (again) :-) > > > > It's the same one you've seen yesterday... i didn't change anything > > You got me, dude :-). > > -- > Boris > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:07:25 +0100 > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "pentax list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: PESO: Great Expectations > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 8/8/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Well, when you get right down to it, Fine is an adjective and Art is a > >noun. So is Rubbish. > > > >However, don't ask me what Fine Art is (as opposed to any other type > >of art. Now that I think of it, don't ask me what Art is, as I have > >no satisfactory, all-encompassing definition. > > Excuse me can I butt in here? > > Some of us deal in Fine Rubbish and are proud of it. I'll own up. Any takers? > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com > _____________________________ > > -------------------------------- > End of pentax-discuss-d Digest V05 Issue #1881 > ********************************************** >
