Hi Godfrey my comments are below: > >>You don't seem to understand my sentence, Markus, or the rest of my >>response to you. I realize that English is not your first language, >>but you seem to want to be contradictory in conversations between us, >>revolving upon points of language usage.
don't take that to serious, after all it's about our hobby and the PDML only ;-) >>How do you know when a photograph is cropped? What about it tells you >>that what you see isn't what was intended by the photographer and >>captured by the camera? Oh, you're going to say.. ."well, it isn't >>2:3 proportion" or something like that. exactly, the proportion told me here what happened. Otherwise I would have to simply ask you how you made your photograph. (That is the old fashioned - or maybe wrong - part in me, I'm just a bit more proud of a shot if I need not to crop it to look like I wanted it.) I can crop to any proportion >>I wish, including 2:3, and you would never know whether I did or not. >>What could knowing that a particular image isn't *exactly* what was >>in the viewfinder possibly have to do with your ability to judge >>whether what is presented is a pleasing composition? That just makes >>no sense at all. It' s not about pleasing, I never said that. It's about judging how well you mastered the situation regarding the composition and framing at the "very moment", something people seem to admire HCB for example so much for. >> >>I regularly crop and alter the proportions of my photographs to suit >>the idea, the expression I had in mind when I made the exposure. I >>guess this means that you simply will never be able to judge whether >>you like one of my photographs, which pretty much makes your >>statement "I like the photo too btw" absent of meaning. Cropping or altering an image another way is one of the various possibilities to enhance an image like the darkroom techniques some here mentioned, I have no problem with that beside disliking sitting again on the computer for that ;-) Of course I can judge whether I *like* you photos Godfrey: The most important part of a photo for me is the main subject and the moment shown, here it would have been the woman and here pose. Second I can like he colors or lack of, the light, the shadows and more. I can like the idea that made you take that photo. All may be a part of the overall composition and is influenced by the framing and/or cropping, but I could well like one part of your photo enough to forget about the rest. My last bee shot is an example for me: I like the funny situation of two bees looking like having sex enough to go over the fact the photo is partly underexposed and that the composition and framing could have been better. I told you that for some of you PESO/PAW before: I did like the subject you showed and the b/w tones but not the cropping at all. I hope that clears things up a bit ;-) greetings Markus >> >>Godfrey >>
