On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> I think that this is silly, that we individually should have to post
> messages to the list (or at submission - I had totally forgotten about
> it) saying that we want comments on our PUG submissions.
Well, we're talking about two different things. You don't have to post to
the list saying that you want your photo commented on. Anyone from the
list can comment on any photo they want to; that remains
unchanged. Asking me off-list for comments at the time of submission is a
separate thing. That's just a way that you can be reasonably sure that
your photo will be commented on, and since the commentators only have a
few "assigned" photos, they can sometimes go into more depth than they
otherwise could.
So, if you want comments, you can do three things: (1) Do nothing, and
hope that someone finds your image worthy of talking about. (2) Ask the
list for comments. This does not guarantee that you will receive any
comments, but it opens your request to the entire PDML to see. (3) Ask
me off-list to add your photo to the ones that the commentators will talk
about. This hopefully ensures that you'll receive thoughtful feedback
about your photo, though it may limit it to one or two
commentators. There's no reason why you can't do (2) and (3) both, though
part of the idea of the organized comments was to reduce the amount of
list traffic asking for comments.
> Who doesn't want his/her picture commented on? If there is such a
> person I rather think that this person is the one who should say so.
Since the PUG and the PDML are separate entities, the list consensus was
that submitting to the PUG is not necessarily a request for organized
comments from the PDML. Also, some people use the PUG just for sharing
photos that have a special value or meaning to them, and that don't
necessarily have any artistic intent or value. The PUG is not a
critique-oriented site. On this basis, I'm for leaving the organized
comments as an opt-in process, and not as the default.
This is probably confusing for some because they don't understand the
distinction between the organized comments and comments in general. I
don't think it's a good idea to have organized comments on every photo
submitted, for the above reasons. However, if a photo catches your eye or
if you feel like commenting on it for any reason, every photo is wide open
for general comments to the list. There are *no* restrictions on talking
about any photo you want to. All I'm saying is that the *organized*
comments are something that should be requested by the photographer if
they want them, and not done for every shot submitted. As far as general
comments or criticisms go, feel free to jump in and say stuff!
> Each new PUG used to be a party. Now it's like nobody dare say
> anything and there seems to be a general confusion about it.
I hope that this email clears up some of the confusion. If not, ask me
again. :)
> I suggest that default mode be "Comments welcome!". This is the
> obvious and easiest way, isn't it?
Unsolicited comments about any photo you feel like saying something about
are always okay, IMO, as is asking the list for comments on your
submission. Just don't expect your photo to be part of the organized
commentary unless you specifically request it to be.
If this is still too confusing, or if people don't see the value of the
organized comments, I don't have a problem with abandoning the idea
altogether.
chris
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