UMM excuse me sir, but why cant they support BOTH old and new customers? Is that some earth shattering concept?. They don't have to remove K/M AE to fully support newer photograhers. I don't get why you say that. Please explain further... jco
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) Amen to JCO's remarks. Your explanations are to the point. Unfortunately, Pentax will never come out with a dslr with full K/M compatibility. I believe the company wants to go after newer photographers who have never experienced Pentax film cameras. These buyers of Pentax dslr's will eagerly buy the newer lenses that the camera body will support. Should they buy an older K/M prime lens, they might not like having to manually focus the lens which you don't have to do with the newer lenses. I know a photographer who owns a 20D Canon. He can't believe that photographers like myself had to manually focus a lens. Even more, he can't believe that there were cameras that you had to manually set shutter speed and lens aperture to get a good exposure. Light meter? What the heck is that used for. Again, Amen to JCO's remarks. Jim A. > From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:40:38 -0400 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:40:33 -0400 > > ====================================================================== > === > WILLIAM ROB WROTE: > I will try to clarify: > > Precisely which camera you are talking about that is difficult to use? > ====================================================================== > = > JCO Writes now: > > Its not the "degree of difficulty" its > the annoying stupid tedium of doing something > manually that I got done for me automatically > in the past. this would apply to > ANY pentax camera that doesn't support > K/M AE and forces you to use GREEN BUTTON > mode instead.. > > Doing some new extra step to get a photo that I didn't have to do in > the past is WORSE- That's the opposite of progress. > > The camera is supposed to SERVE ME serve me - with green button YOU > SERVE the camera. Duh.... > > ====================================================================== > == > WILLIAM ROBB WROTE: > > Why do you find it difficult to use? > ====================================================================== > == > JCO writes now: > > See this copy of my last post explaining why > its tedious and stupid: > > JCO WROTE: > > > In review, I see I missed something here > that still needs stating. If you and some > of your "smart" photographer friends don't > see the "gofer" part that makes it even > funnier so once again I will explain > it in more simpler terms for you. Because > the joke is over so you should know > the absurdity of it all if you still > havent recognized why its dumb slavery... > > If this camera BODY had K/M AE support you > wouldn't need to being doing ANY > of this dumb button pushing. The camera > wouldn't be burdening you with these > dumb stop down meter requests. > It not only slows you down if you > need to change fast, it's another > possible source of operator error > (humans make mistakes) for you to > have to remember to "SERVICE" the > cameras dumb requests. Cant you see > that having do something, like even > pressing a button, OVER AND OVER > and OVER again is really annoying and > degrading when NONE of it would have > been necessary at all if he cheap K/M > cam sensor had been maintained? > > I don't want to do something like > pushing green buttons every time I take > a picture with the camera IF ITS > NOT NECESSARY- and with K/M AE > support its not. I also don't want > to have to remember if I pushed > buttons or not or end up pushing > them twice to be sure the dumb > camera is informed. What you are > doing by pushing this button is > MANUALLY doing what the cam sensor > part did for you automatically In > the past. Why in the world would > any of your so called "smart" > photographer friends not see this > as a problem? Probably because > they think its necessary with > K/M lenses , well its not. Its > necessary only with this dumb > camera design... and I bet would they all > would gladly trade back to K/M AE > if given a real choice of > having to push buttons at > all or having to push them > forever needlessly.... > CASE CLOSED > > - now think about > that every time you push the green > button for PENTAX like a monkey boy > slave who doesn't deserve basic exposure automation > that you used to have for 30 years..... > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) > > >> I will clarify for you. >> >> Ask any question you want but be specific >> You really cant ask me to quote the entire >> thread again for you. That's out of this >> world. > > Please note, these questions are brought up because you wrote: > > " > So William are you now trying to say >> that no one cares whether a camera >> is smart and user friedly or dumb >> and a pain in the ass to use?" > > > I will try to clarify: > > Precisely which camera you are talking about that is difficult to use? > > Why do you find it difficult to use? > > > Please give one one example of when you have missed an important > picture because of the camera's lack user friendliness to give some > credibility to the complaint? > >> >> Are you saying that just because you >> bought and use the GREEN BUTTON that you >> know its better or as good as K/M AE? >> > > Please read the thread regarding my usage of K/M lenses. > I can only speak for myself in this instance. > > William Robb > >
