>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:54:37 -0700
>
>It's just that words change meaning with languages and geography.
Especially in 
>politics were the winner may try to degrade the views of the opponent.
>
>Liberal is slightly on the right wing here, but may be understood as left
wing 
>in the US, and I've met americans who cant understand how we can have a 
>socialist government in a democracy. They think it is the same thing as 
>communism.
>
>DagT

Dag,

We know that they're not the same.  But they are first cousins.
In Europe, it seems, "Liberal" has maintained more of the classic 
meaning of "open minded" where in the US it's somewhat mixed between 
that and "socialist".

What many of us fear is the constant reduction of freedom from the
more serious socialists.  The bans on firearms, certain religious speech
(Canada and Sweden in particular), a general unwillingness to discuss
issues but instead demagogue ideas (like Intelligent Design), restrictions 
on travel (China), excessive taxation, and so many other problems that, 
even with our failings, there's no sense in losing even more freedom than 
we already have.

KC8TKA

(These letters represent a level of liberty that has been lost in many
countries, 
both socialist and totalitarian.  "Tiananmen Square" and the power of the
fax 
machine [open communication] should never be forgotten.  One should not
even consider
some of this open-minded internet-based discussion in China.)

Collin  (rejecting both communist socialists and national socialists)
Brendemuehl



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