Of course, but it's closer to what's going on than the hamburger discussion analogy.To say that the Pentax strategy is "not to compete by innovation" is pure conjecture. It's too early to determine what the Pentax strategy might be. We all know Pentax can't compete one on one with the industry giants. Anyone who expects that is being unrealistic. We hope they will be successful in carving out their niche. Yes, it's a difficult task, and it's going to require the right products at the right time. It would probably benefit from support at the user level as well. You might say we're living in the proverbial glass house.
Paul
On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:22 AM, Tom C wrote:

That's a pretty exagerrated analogy.

This is a public forum. There have been NUMEROUS threads that didn't belong on this list, many that I've participated in. There have been NUMEROUS opinions and viewpoints expressed, many that I disgreed with privately.

I don't think I've ever tried to squelch others opinons and viewpoints, especially when it comes to a discussions regarding photography, Pentax, the market, etc., regardless of my feelings (and hopefully not on other topics). The future of Pentax, conjecture or otherwise, is likely a concern to many list members. We can't see the future, so what we have is observation and speculation. I may voice those feelings, but I don't attempt to ban or hinder others from expressing theirs. Why in the blankety-blank-blank, is that not the same now?

I'll say again something I said recently... slightly paraphrased. If Pentax were so small and weak to FEAR this list, then all really IS lost. If Pentax is unable to compete, is unable produce competitive products on a timely basis, is unable to make product announcements that hold water, well it's not Pentax's existing customers who have invested 1000's of dollars in their products that are the problem.

The proof is in the pudding so far... the facts are Pentax is not competing except in a small segment of the entire DSLR market. Their strategy of late, is not not to compete by innovation and progressive products. It is to find ways to cut costs and deliver essentially the same product, with certain functionality removed.

Tom C.




From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:48:05 -0400

What if he your friend had gone on and on about how he thought there were probably pieces of insects in the burgers? And the tomatoes the cook sliced were full of worms? And that mold was scraped from the buns before they were served-- if you were lucky? Suppose he kept harping on this all over the neighborhood until others believed him and started repeating the same things? Of course all this information was based on conjecture, rather than any real knowledge of how the hamburger stand operated. But because it had become accepted as truth, the hamburger stand eventually went out of business.
On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Many years ago I lived in North Beach, in San Francisco. Across the street from my apartment was a pretty good hamburger joint. One night a friend, Rick, was visiting, and at one point started moaning how much he wanted a hamburger. He kept this up for a while, getting more and more graphic as the evening progressed (he wanted a big, rare, juicy, burger, with onions and cheese on a toasted bun and a side of fries and a big, frothy milkshake ... you get the picture). Anyway, he kept telling me what he wanted for more than an hour. Finally I asked him if he really wanted a hamburger, or did he just want to fantasize and talk about. He was quiet for a moment,
and then replied, "I guess I just want to talk about it."

Shel


[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist

I just don't understand why those who have decided Pentax is not for
them continue to whine about it day after day. It's particularly self defeating for those who must have full frame. All indications seem to
say that we won't see that from Pentax or, for that matter, Nikon. I
don't hear Cotty complaining about Pentax. He knew what he wanted and went out and got it. I didn't mean to imply that users of other digital
brands should leave the list. I meant that they should act on their
beliefs and quit complaining.






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