It's people trying to defend PCan (TC pls note: this stands for Pentax Canada) who are dragging this out and making something rather trivial into a much bigger issue. Nobody cares anymore, except that some of us have been labeled whingers and worse for suggesting that it might have been handled better. An apology for that is in order (though perhaps not for Mr Jackass, who I suspect wasn't a PDMLer anyway).

John




On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:38:42 -0000, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I sent a few images.
I told himm they could freely use these for INTERNAL purposes - for slide
shows and presentations at business conventions, and they could publish
these exclusivelye for promoting Pentax euipment, provided my name is
mentioned as the author along with the image.

I don't care that much about copy right - my images aren't that interssting anyway - as long as they are not used for any other purposes than promoting
Pentax equipment. I probably won't sell less images for that reason-

Regards
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 7. februar 2006 18:15
Til: [email protected]
Emne: re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix


Aaron,

I'm not beating you up over this... please believe that. I understand what
Pentax Canada does, they do however represent Pentax (the company that
produces cameras and photography equipment).

I just don't get how you're jumping to the conclusion that "you assume they intended to steal people's images or do something different from what they said". When did I say that? I never assumed that all. I did require more
information, however.

Lets face it. The whole thing was handled somewhat unofficially. In this day and age of legalese, things appear unusual when we *don't see it*. I'm not pointing fingers at you. You did exactly what I would have done in the same circumstances and Frank was passing the message along. I would assume that anyone truly interested in submitting photos, including myself would be
thankful, and I am.

In the end what I don't understand is the about-face that was taken.  Why
not just delete and ignore the e-mails from the jackasses and continue to
engage those who responded in a sincere and civil manner?


Tom C.



From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:56:00 -0500

Tom, Pentax Canada, like Pentax USA, produce nothing.  They import and
re-sell cameras atincreasingly poorer margins.

If you had read the e-mails, you'd know why they canned it.  They were
disgusting.

They were looking for goodwill and attempting to engage their customer base
in a friendly, grassroots way, and for their troubles they were called
things that would make Harvey Keitel blush.

Why you assume they intended to steal people's images or do something
different from what they said because there wasn't a legalese paragraph at
the end of the message is beyond me.

As I said, this is on my shoulders -- my bad advice led them here. Please
stop beating me up over this.

-Aaron

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
Date:  Tue Feb 7, 2006 11:36 am
Size:  2K
To:  [email protected]

Godfrey,

I stated in my original post, that I had lost the original message. After reading your copy of it, I find that I insinuated nothing at all. The words "more trouble than it is worth" are hardly kind words for a business to use
in any context when their customers are involved. Additionally I find it
odd
to the extreme that a company whose business is producing and selling
products that allow people to engage in photography would have *any*
trouble
in having a coherent policy and procedure regarding copyrights of submitted
photo.  Likely any inquiries and perceived negativity would have been
minimized if complete information was presented up front.


Tom C.






>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: PDML <[email protected]>
>Subject: re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:47:35 -0800
>
>Rather than present an insinuation about Pentax Canada's business
>practices by posting interpretations of the note, here is the text of
the
>message sent to me on Saturday:
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>>From: Marco Veltri
>>Date: February 3, 2006 6:20:40 AM PST
>>Subject: RE: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
>>
>>
>>  Hello,
>>    Due to the negative response on the forums and all the questions
>>people
>>kept asking about copyright the powers that be have decided that we
will
>>use
>>other sources to find images. We received great images but due to the
>>problems it has been decided that it is more trouble that it is worth.
>>Thank
>>you to all the people who sent in images. There were about 10  people
who
>>sent in images and I will be contacting them individually with this
>>message.
>>
>>Again, thanks to all who sent in images.
>>
>
>Marco was very responsive when I corresponded with him, I submitted a
>gallery of 20 images for him to select from and he wrote back to  thank
me
>within an hour. It sounds like his project for the marketing department >foundered due to a perceived negativism expressed in people's responses.
>
>I'd have cut it short as well.
>
>Godfrey
>














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