Cotty,
    Didn't mean to discredit any good teachers out there. My intent was to
contrast very different, but proven learning styles as opposed to a direct
analogy, but aparently I didn't portray it as such. I sincerely apologize. I
would indeed be ignorant if I thought the ~only~  two teaching options were
1)auto camera 2)here's the manual, and your on your own. As you may have
noticed (in previous posts as well), I get a little chapped when people say
you can't learn ~effectively~ from an automatic SLR! Bull! That's why they
have manual modes!Let me present the following scenario. Two kids turn 13
yrs old. One gets a manual camer for his birthday, the other gets an
automatic camera. The next week they both go out with dad and fool around
using different exposures to learn(the kid with the auto turned his on
manual mode for the week per dads request).  The next week, they head off to
baseball camp. The kid with the automatic camera turns the thing on auto and
comes back with some nice shots to send to grandpa. What's the big problem
with that? Now the kids totally turned on to photography, and he goes back
out with dad in manual mode to do some more learning! I am a man of balance,
so I DO RECOGNIZE the value of the manual camera. The other kid with the
manual will learn more about exposure, ect, in X-amount of weeks/months
because he is forced to; but only if that particular child has the patience
to learn that way. I know people that used manual cameras in photo classes,
and learned alot, but they also used Point and Shoots "around the house". I
pose this question; What the heck is wrong with learning on a camera that
does both! I'll get off my soapbox with this final point showing both
aspects: There ~ARE~ those that don't have the discipline to put an
auto-camera in manual to learn, but there are ~also~ those who don't have
the patience to learn on manual 100% of the time! Again, no discredit
intented to all you teachers. I have a deep appreciation for you guys (and
gals) Heck, we're all teaching something to somebody about photography! One
must find what works best for him.
Cheers and Regards to All
-Jeff



Cotty wrote:
I'm sorry Jeff, but I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this thread,
but this post simply cannot go without comment!

By your assumption, you seem to presume that by getting a non-auto
camera, one is 'throwing one's child into the deep end'. I outright
refute that suggestion! In no way would I do that to my, or any child, or
in fact anyone learning from me. I have always had the privelage of
teaching people the principles of photography and/or film-making in a
gentle manner, which in no way sees anyone 'thrown off the end of the
dock'. I think you will find that ANYONE who knows their stuff would NOT
do this to someone learning.

Obviously I can only confirm my own case, but I think your posting more
or less tars all the 'manuals' with the same brush there, and I can only
tell you that you are most definately wrong!

Again, I say: any technique with teaching *can* work. The world would
indeed be a boring place if we were all the same...

Ha-blooming-rumph!

Cotty



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