I think the shooting distance on my robin was about 20 feet. The AF 400T is 
poweful enough to give you some fill at that distance, but you need a camera 
that will do high speed synch. I think the PZ-1P is the only Pentax that allows 
relatively high speed synch, but I could be wrong. I think a shutter speed of 
at least 1/500th is necessary to hand hold with a 500mm lens on a 35mm film 
camera.  I shot this guy at 1/750th. The Sigma 500 Super has a high synch mode 
that allows high shutter speeds with the D camera, even though the camera's 
native synch speed is very limited. Even the AF400T could benefit from the 
magnifier. If memory serves me correctly, it was inexpensive. I bought it from 
Kirk.
Paul

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi Paul
> do you think that the Pentax AF 400T without a teleadapter or flash
> magnifier with ISO 200-400 film would be powerful enough for that kind of
> bird shot? What was the shooting distance here?
> 
> I will get a Tamron SP 500 mirror lens tomorrow and would like to try some
> bird or other animal photography.
> 
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:16 PM
> >>To: [email protected]
> >>Subject: Re: PESO: Robin, Michigan Style
> >>
> >>
> >>Oddly enough, birds don't seem to mind the flash. If I move my arms or
> >>raise the camera, they fly away. But I can fire the flash repeatedly,
> >>and it doesn't seem to alarm them. Maybe they don't really see it, or
> >>else it doesn't register as something they should be afraid of.
> >>On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:10 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>>> Did a bird hike in the woods today. The first robins of spring showed
> >>>> up this weekend. This guy is the common robin as seen throughout most
> >>>> of the US. Shot with the *istD, the A 400/5.6 and the Sigma 500 Super
> >>>> flash on high-speed synch setting with the Kirk flash magnifier
> >>>> attached. ISO 800, f5.6 @ 1/750th.
> >>>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4188940&size=lg
> >>>
> >>> Paul, have pity on the little fellow - Sigma 500 super flash *with*
> >>> flash magnifier... Hope you did not give little bird a big heart
> >>> attack ;-).
> >>>
> >>> Cool stuff...
> >>>
> >>> Boris
> >>>
> >>
> 

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