John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:15:22 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:14:50 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:07:21 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, John Forbes wrote:
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:57:31 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Vic MacBournie wrote:
In my opinion, your best bet in the istd if you want to
duplicate the quality of the MZs. It is not up to MZ-S
standards but it's not too far behind. I have both and find
the build quality comparable...
I forgot: the interface is also different; on the -S you set
the aperture from the lens, on the -D (all of them) this is
only possible in Manual mode (which reverts to HyperManual).
This is rather misleading. You set the aperture on the camera
body, unless the lens is a K or M lens, in which case you set
it on the lens, with the body set to manual mode. There have
been endless fruitless discussions on the merits of setting
the aperture on the body versus setting it on the lens, but
even the die-hards get used quite quickly to doing it on the
body. The only people for whom this is an still issue is
people who are still using film, and have no idea what they
are missing.
My description was very accurate; find a hole.
Your description is a sieve.
What you wrote is inaccurate.
You're either a comedian or a politician in the mould of Blair.
See below.
On the -Digis you can set the aperture on the lens provided
it has a ring (so this is not limited to M/Ks).
No, Kostas, you can't. When off the A setting, the camera will
take the picture at full aperture, whatever you set the lens at
(except in Manual mode).
Now, read that again, and write it out fifty times.
I own and use
exclusively anymore two film cameras where you can set the
aperture on the body; the MZ-50 in particular is *very*
cumbersome from the lens, but I actually like its interface. I
thus did not make an argument as to better, I said different.
I suggest you confine yourself to responding to questions you
know something about. Limiting, I know, but better for your
credibility in the long run.
John
I'm sorry, but Kostas is right. Your explanation indicated that
you could only change aperture with the ring with K/M lenses, not
only in Manual (the latter is correct for all but DA and FA J
lenses).
Please re-read what I said, so that you understand it, and
re-phrase what you said, so that I understand it.
Kostas is making the mistake of thinking that the DSLRs work like
certain film cameras that he knows. They don't.
John
No, he's not. You're misunderstanding him or ignoring what he was
saying. He said it was possible to use the Aperture ring only in
Manual, and reverted to HyperManual. Which is correct for the D and
it's descendants (he does miss that you can meter via the DoF
preview and manually set shutter as well).
You said, and I quote:
"You set the aperture on the camera body, unless the lens is a K or
M lens, in which case you set it on the lens, with the body set
to manual mode."
Which is incorrect for any lens other than a DA or D-FA lens, as any
lens with an aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the
aperture ring if you so choose(No reason to if it's not a K/M or M42
lens, but you can).
His description is more accurate for K mount lenses, as the Camera
will ignore the aperture ring setting in modes other than Manual
(M42 lenses, due to the lack of aperture coupling, will also work
correctly in Av, and will do Av in Tv and P modes).
You are incorrect. Any lens with an aperture ring, in any mode other
than manual, has to be used on A (assuming it has an A). If you set
it to another setting, the shutter will fire (if allowed in the
settings), but the LENS WILL NOT STOP DOWN.
Read the bit in capitals. Then read it again. I am not going to
repeat it.
John
Umm, perhaps you should read what I said, since you obviously didn't.
Which is what you are now repeating. Top quote "any lens with an
aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the aperture ring".
MANUAL MODE. NOT ANY OTHER MODE. Which is exactly what Kostas and I have
said.
-Adam
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