With all the quotes and quotes of quotes, top posting and bottom posting, it's impossible to follow anyway.
For the time being, and for some time into the future, there will be plenty of manual ~and~ auto focus lenses available which can be used on the current crop of Pentax DSLR bodies. Those who wish to use lenses with aperture controls on them can certainly do so. Those who prefer to use lenses where the aperture is controlled by the body only, certainly have that option. Those who wish to take the middle ground can, IIRC, use the A-series of lenses, which will allow manual aperture control or control from the body (please correct me if I'm wrong). Those who wish to use only lenses with aperture control have enough choices that it's a simple matter to do so. And those same people will probably be dead by the time there are no longer any lenses to use in such a fashion. I'm probably one of the last people to embrace new technology, regardless of what it is, and, FWIW, I just don't see a problem using lenses without aperture controls, especially if there are lenses with aperture controls still available so that a choice can be made. And Mike Wilson, playing with a camera for a few minutes, even for a few hours, really doesn't give you the chance to fully get used to the system and the feel of the camera/lens combination. At least that's the way it is for me. Time, and exposure to different shooting situations, is really the best way to decide what's right for you. At least, that's how it's been in my case. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stenquist > This version of the thread -- an aperture ring flame war -- is quite > amusing. > On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > John Forbes wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:15:22 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> John Forbes wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:14:50 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> John Forbes wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:07:21 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, John Forbes wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:57:31 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Vic MacBournie wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, your best bet in the istd if you want to > >>>>>>>>>> duplicate the quality of the MZs. It is not up to MZ-S > >>>>>>>>>> standards but it's not too far behind. I have both and find > >>>>>>>>>> the build quality comparable... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I forgot: the interface is also different; on the -S you set > >>>>>>>>> the aperture from the lens, on the -D (all of them) this is > >>>>>>>>> only possible in Manual mode (which reverts to HyperManual). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is rather misleading. You set the aperture on the camera > >>>>>>>> body, unless the lens is a K or M lens, in which case you set > >>>>>>>> it on the lens, with the body set to manual mode. There > >>>>>>>> have been endless fruitless discussions on the merits of > >>>>>>>> setting the aperture on the body versus setting it on the > >>>>>>>> lens, but even the die-hards get used quite quickly to doing > >>>>>>>> it on the body. The only people for whom this is an still > >>>>>>>> issue is people who are still using film, and have no idea > >>>>>>>> what they are missing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My description was very accurate; find a hole. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your description is a sieve. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> What you wrote is inaccurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're either a comedian or a politician in the mould of Blair. > >>>>>> See below. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On the -Digis you can set the aperture on the lens provided > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> it has a ring (so this is not limited to M/Ks). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No, Kostas, you can't. When off the A setting, the camera will > >>>>>> take the picture at full aperture, whatever you set the lens > >>>>>> at (except in Manual mode). > >>>>>> Now, read that again, and write it out fifty times. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I own and use > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> exclusively anymore two film cameras where you can set the > >>>>>>> aperture on the body; the MZ-50 in particular is *very* > >>>>>>> cumbersome from the lens, but I actually like its interface. > >>>>>>> I thus did not make an argument as to better, I said > >>>>>>> different. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I suggest you confine yourself to responding to questions you > >>>>>> know something about. Limiting, I know, but better for your > >>>>>> credibility in the long run. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm sorry, but Kostas is right. Your explanation indicated that > >>>>> you could only change aperture with the ring with K/M lenses, > >>>>> not only in Manual (the latter is correct for all but DA and FA > >>>>> J lenses). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Please re-read what I said, so that you understand it, and > >>>> re-phrase what you said, so that I understand it. > >>>> > >>>> Kostas is making the mistake of thinking that the DSLRs work like > >>>> certain film cameras that he knows. They don't. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>> No, he's not. You're misunderstanding him or ignoring what he was > >>> saying. He said it was possible to use the Aperture ring only in > >>> Manual, and reverted to HyperManual. Which is correct for the D and > >>> it's descendants (he does miss that you can meter via the DoF > >>> preview and manually set shutter as well). > >>> > >>> You said, and I quote: > >>> > >>> "You set the aperture on the camera body, unless the lens is a K or > >>> M lens, in which case you set it on the lens, with the body set > >>> to manual mode." > >>> > >>> Which is incorrect for any lens other than a DA or D-FA lens, as any > >>> lens with an aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the > >>> aperture ring if you so choose(No reason to if it's not a K/M or > >>> M42 lens, but you can). > >>> > >>> His description is more accurate for K mount lenses, as the Camera > >>> will ignore the aperture ring setting in modes other than Manual > >>> (M42 lenses, due to the lack of aperture coupling, will also work > >>> correctly in Av, and will do Av in Tv and P modes). > >> > >> > >> You are incorrect. Any lens with an aperture ring, in any mode other > >> than manual, has to be used on A (assuming it has an A). If you set > >> it to another setting, the shutter will fire (if allowed in the > >> settings), but the LENS WILL NOT STOP DOWN. > >> > >> Read the bit in capitals. Then read it again. I am not going to > >> repeat it. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > > > > Umm, perhaps you should read what I said, since you obviously didn't. > > Which is what you are now repeating. Top quote "any lens with an > > aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the aperture ring". > > MANUAL MODE. NOT ANY OTHER MODE. Which is exactly what Kostas and I > > have said. > > > > -Adam > >
