Hi Tim The Tokina fits for me because it is my understanding that John (?) got it really cheap in a bundle with other lenses and a body ($200) too. It's the cost/quality ratio and the "not being member of the noble Pentax FA, *, and others family) that counts for me. I would not tell my SP 500 Tamron mirror lens "crappy" so far, the build quality is excellent and I hope the shots will be good enough to keep it if I look over the limitations of a mirror lens in general.
greetings Markus > >> >>After seeing the results the Tokina makes, I am not sure it qualifies for >>the "crappy lens, bird shoot competition" When used within the >>limititations >>it performs pretty good, IMO. > >>

