As I said... I really don't care that much about philosophy.
But for you to make a blanket statement regarding "you demonstrate little
study of Philosophy or
Science" which really means "you don't know much", is rather ludicrous based
on how much we really know of each other.
I find philosophy, especially as popularly taught is all too frequently
someone else's own random mental meanderings with no connection to objective
truth.
I can come up with my own postulations just as easily and they would have
equal validity.
Too much of what is being taught as wisdom and knowledge is simply either
supposition or garbage.
Tom C.
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bailing out.
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:52:26 -0800
With these statements, you demonstrate little study of Philosophy or
Science.
Science at one time had the definition of being the search for "truth" ...
This was true in the Middle Ages when the Church controlled all higher
institutions of learning in Europe and the search for knowledge was akin
to the study of "God's Truth".
That is no longer the definition of science, the modern definition of
science dates from 1933. Science and Truth are not related other than
semantically.
Truth, Reality, and similar concepts are part of Philosophy:
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philosophy
noun ( pl. -phies)
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence,
esp. when considered as an academic discipline.
- a set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such
study or an aspect of it : a clash of rival socialist philosophies.
- the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge
or experience : the philosophy of science.
- a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a
guiding principle for behavior : don't expect anything and you won't be
disappointed, that's my philosophy.
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French philosophie, via Latin from Greek
philosophia love of wisdom.
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Science deals with systematic study of the observable world, which may or
may not be "true" or "real".
Godfrey
On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Tom C wrote:
Nothing unreal exists.
Something that is not real cannot be studied in the sense of detecting,
measuring, or collecting empirical evidence. It's always something real
or the manifestation of something real that is studied. Science (used
loosely) or those studying a particular thing may not understand what it
is they are studying and therefore go off on errant paths making
hypothesis that postulate the existence of something unreal.
I would venture to say that if science is the search for and obtaining of
knowledge, and that knowledge is unflawed, therefore can be called true
(truth), that it is also real. Those things found to be unreal "drop off
the radar", as they are not real, and are realized to be scientifically
untrue.
Tom C.
Science is defined to be:
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science:
noun
The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic
study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world
through observation and experiment : the world of science and
technology.
- a particular area of this : veterinary science | the agricultural
sciences.
- a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject
: the science of criminology.
- archaic knowledge of any kind.
ORIGIN Middle English (denoting knowledge): from Old French, from Latin
scientia, from scire know.
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Note that this definition has no mention of the words "real" or
"reality" in it. Notions of reality are part of philosophy (typically
metaphysics and epistemology), not science.
Godfrey
