All my math is of course at the wholesale level, because that was where I was 
doing my comparisons.  I also rarely used 1.5 sheets of paper per print in the 
b&w darkroom.

-Aaron

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From:  Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT: Why big negs
Date:  Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:56 am
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To:  [email protected]

Not by much if you print Black Only on an Epson, and possibly cheaper if 
you use 3rd party ink.

I pay $40CDN for 100 sheets of Ilford Pearl 8x10 RC paper. I usually 
need 2-3 sheets to get an acceptable print (not a good one, I'm barely 
competent in the darkroom). Total cost is around $0.80-$1.20 a print.

I pay about $44 for 100 sheets of Epson Enhanced Matte, plus $50 for a 
full cart of Black Ink that's good for 100+ prints (I use the larger 
black carts). I rarely print more than one print, as I do all my 
corrections in PS and have a profiled system. That's around $0.95 a 
print if my ink only lasts for 100 prints. If I used Eboni from MIS I'd 
be paying about $15 a cart ($10.95 US) which would drop my costs to 
$0.60 a print or lower.

This doesn't count chemical costs. And multi-ink printing is a fair bit 
more expensive than BO.

Capital costs are equal for me, as my Enlarger cost roughly what my 
printer did (~$100CDN)

-Adam


Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> I don't think that there's any question -- the chemical darkroom has never 
> been more expensive to run, per print, than digital.  Digital printing has a 
> long, long way to drop in terms of cost per print to get even into the same 
> neighborhood as the traditional darkroom.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From:  Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: OT: Why big negs
> Date:  Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:05 am
> Size:  1K
> To:  [email protected]
> 
> 
>  >Well, if you want to show your work on the web,
>  >you have to scan it at some point. Try to find a cheap used 4x5 scanner...
>  >
>  >There are fine art photographers who scan their 8x10 negs or slides
>  >to make prints, it is much cheaper than buying an 8x10 enlarger and
>  >setting up to do 30x40 chemical prints. The ones I have actually talked
>  >to pointed out the deficiencies of their digital prints. You had to put your
>  >nose against the print to see them, but then folks who shoot 8x10 by
>  >choice are usually perfectionists by nature.
>  >
>  >graywolf
> 
> There are flatbeds which will do 4x5.  But you can end up with moire because
> of the glass.  Then there's Microtek and you're getting into the $400 range.
> They're nice but not as good as a drum scan.  Do those very frequently
> (4x5 is often $25 per scan) and one had better be making money doing 
> large format.
> 
> So, for us hobbyists, the chemical darkroom is still the cheapest option.
> A 4x5 or 8x10 neg or chrome still makes a nice, displayable contact print.
> Personally, I've met none who care to do mural-size prints or even wall size.
> That's a special requirement.  But many do enlarge 8x10 to 16x20 for display.
> And for that some have just used their camera body with a new back as the
> neg holder & light source.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Collin Brendemuehl
> http://www.brendemuehl.net
> 
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose"
>                                                  -- Jim Elliott

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