You two must realize how idiotic this conversation makes both of you look. It's like someone is e-mailing me the worst parts of Usenet.
-Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: Life in the Raw Date: Mon May 1, 2006 3:52 pm Size: 2K To: [email protected] On May 1, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > As long as we're being precise, I'll just clarify that the [Apple] > adjective was missing from my description. A Macintosh is by > definition an Apple product, but MacOSX doesn't run in an iPod or > Apple II... only on a "Macintosh." > > Fun game... no really... :) Semantically: Apple hardware is a generic term. Apple II, iPod, etc are specific products, as is "Macintosh". Apple II, iPod, Macintosh, Macintosh Plus, Power Macintosh G5, etc are all examples of Apple products which fall under the generic term "Apple hardware". Not all Apple hardware is the same, or can run the same operating system. No Apple product made since 1986 has been labeled simply "Macintosh". Everything from that point forward was Macintosh Plus, Macintosh SE, Macintosh II, etc etc. Mac OS X (NOT "MacOSX") runs on Apple hardware which generally includes *most* (if not all) of the Apple general purpose computing hardware with G3 processors and later, if you want to make it more specific. So to say that you need to "purchase Macintosh hardware" to run "MacOSX" is technically incorrect on two counts. Although since I understand exactly what you're saying, the distinction is moot. ... ;-) > There is no super-fast Mac hardware when it comes to overall system > performance. Memory bandwidth, chipsets, etc all tend to be a bit > slower than the PC counterparts. Not counting notebooks, I see a > G5 dual/dual-dual for between $2000-$3300. Building a PC piece by > piece will get you dual core for $1000 or less. Calling a G5 2.7Ghz Quad or an Xserve less than "super fast" is a little absurd to me. But that would drag us down into the horrors of benchmarks and metrics, component performance vs integrated throughput performance, ad nauseam, where I'd rather not waste bandwidth. A brand-new PowerMac G5 2Ghz DP with 1G RAM and 250G drive, all the wireless options, keyboard and mouse, operating system and included software (iLife '06), full development system software, cost me $1700. The monitor was extra, as was the second 500G drive and 2G more RAM. Overall, since I'm not a tinkerer, it wasn't a bad price for the performance and quality. I don't know build-it-yourself pricing very well as it's been years since I was interested to build a system from parts, but to buy comparable quality and performance enclosures, motherboards, drives, power supplies, etc etc and add the OS and other software to it, the value proposition is different by only a slim margin. My time is also worth something. I like to do photography ... my work ... not tinker with computers. I use computers to do my work, and I work to fix other people's computing problems, that's all. :-) Godfrey
