>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>My comments were in reference to those who recently said that they do not
>submit to or comment on the PUG because it is full of inferior work.
>Mostly, however, I was trying to use a little humor, and a little
>sarcasm, to try to persuade a few more people to participate in the
>PUG.  Even if it isn't a good instument for serious photographic work,
>it still can be fun and interesting if people submit photos, view the
>photos, and comment when they have time.
>

I must be a glutton for punishment... :-)

Dan... First off, that's not precisely what I said.  But, let's say the work 
were to be 'inferior' at large.  Why would I want to waste my time looking 
at inferior work or commenting on it, when it's much more fun to view work 
that rises above the norm and learn from viewing that? I wouldn't go out and 
purchase a coffee table book of bad photographs in order to learn how to 
make good ones (but it wouldn't surprise me if there couldn't be a market 
for such a thing).

Here's the way I see it and this is just my opinion.

If the 'Gallery' is not supposed to represent the best we can do, but is 
instead a catch-all photo-sharing mechanism, there are plenty of ways to 
accomplish that.  PESO's for one, or make use of any number of photo sharing 
sites.  A Flickr or photo.net account could be opened with a publicly known 
password and a new themed presentation could be created each month.  There 
would not need to be a deadline as participants could post their photo at 
any time during the themed month, and no single person would have the burden 
of maintaining it.  If a person posted a photo and then thought better of 
it, they could remove it, and possibly post another.  It would not be 
static, but one that continually evolves.  If one wants to have a photo 
sharing/commenting/learning experience, that would seem to be much more 
flexible.

(Note: I realize the idea coulld present some security/mischief/nefarious 
behavior issues).

I have always thought that a 'Gallery' was supposed to be something special. 
  I don't presume to speak for, think for, write for, in any way comment 
for, or influence Adelheid.  However a fair amount of time and effort has 
gone into the PUG both in software and in the monthly effort of maintaining 
it.

If it is not something special, then I question the reason for it being 
called a gallery and even for having a maintainer.  When I first joined the 
PDML in 1999 (I think my first post was '97/'98) I sort of viewed the 
gallery as a showcase for what could be created with Pentax equipment. At 
that time the PUG was loosely linked to the PDML and the PDML had a link on 
the Pentax website.

Dan, I'm not and never was attempting to put people or their photos down. I 
think we all know that even the best of photographers have a very low hit 
rate when it comes to 'keepers', even those that are considered 'pros'.

I generally enjoy the PUG, but more than having a large number of 
participants, since it's called a gallery, I wish it would be more of a high 
quality showcase.  A lot of high quality photos would be ideal.

Tom C.



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