What Tom said.

Kenneth Waller

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From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PUG


> >From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>It is an unfortunate fact that the PUG is slowly dying.  One reason is
>>that some (often good) photographers find the file size limitation too
>>restrictive, or that the submission process is too much hassle.
>>
>>Another is that incompetent people like me miss the deadlines, and
>>therefore don't contribute (no great loss in my case).
>>
>>Others feel that the standard is too low, and it's not worth the bother.
>>
>>What is the PUG for?  Is it a showcase of the PDML's best work?  Or is it
>>an opportunity to present one's work for peer review and criticism?  If
>>the latter, can't the same be achieved by a PESO?
>>
>>If it is meant to be a showcase, why not have a panel of judges to select
>>the 50 best PAWs and PESOs each month, and then put them into a gallery?
>>Irfanview can produce a suitable gallery with thumnnails at the press of a
>>button, so there is little work involved.
>>
>>As for file sizes, I would suggest that people submitting PAWs and PESOs
>>should consciously aim to keep file sizes low (say 150k) in order to make
>>the images available to the widest audience.  But there should not be a
>>strict size limit.  It is surely better to have a large picture which a
>>few people can't see, than have a picture which nobody can see because the
>>photographer doesn't submit it.
>>
>>
>>John
>>
>
> As is often the case, my posts sometimes go ignored...
>
> Here's the way I see it and this is just my opinion.
>
> If the 'Gallery' is not supposed to represent the best we can do, but is
> instead a catch-all photo-sharing mechanism, there are plenty of ways to
> accomplish that.  PESO's for one, or make use of any number of photo 
> sharing
> sites.  A Flickr or photo.net account could be opened with a publicly 
> known
> password and a new themed presentation could be created each month.  There
> would not need to be a deadline as participants could post their photo at
> any time during the themed month, and no single person would have the 
> burden
> of maintaining it.  If a person posted a photo and then thought better of
> it, they could remove it, and possibly post another.  It would not be
> static, but one that continually evolves.  If one wants to have a photo
> sharing/commenting/learning experience, that would seem to be much more
> flexible.
>
> (Note: I realize the idea coulld present some security/mischief/nefarious
> behavior issues).
>
> I have always thought that a 'Gallery' was supposed to be something 
> special.
> I don't presume to speak for, think for, write for, in any way comment
> for, or influence Adelheid.  However a fair amount of time and effort has
> gone into the PUG both in software and in the monthly effort of 
> maintaining
> it.
>
> If it is not something special, then I question the reason for it being
> called a gallery and even for having a maintainer.  When I first joined 
> the
> PDML in 1999 (I think my first post was '97/'98) I sort of viewed the
> gallery as a showcase for what could be created with Pentax equipment. At
> that time the PUG was loosely linked to the PDML and the PDML had a link 
> on
> the Pentax website.
>
> I generally enjoy the PUG, but more than having a large number of
> participants, since it's called a gallery, I wish it would be more of a 
> high
> quality showcase.  A lot of high quality photos would be ideal.
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
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