Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
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>>>Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long
>>>exposure times. Metering in such circumstances is a nearly total
>>>waste of time. Experience and bracketing are more useful.
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>>Except with OTF metering. Then metering for such work actually does  
>>what
>>it's supposed to do. Not perfect, but far more reliable, especially  
>>when
>>you combine the LX and Acros 100, which has no reciprocity failure  
>>until
>>120 seconds. Of course OTF ambient metering is unique to the LX and a
>>couple of OM models (2 and 4 IIRC). I'm going to be doing some of this
>>with Acros as soon as I get the chance.
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>I disagree. OTF metering does absolutely nothing to mitigate the  
>issues of photographing under such extreme lighting, which are the  
>influence of specular highlights against deep shadow details.  
>Experience and bracketing count for much more. My favorite "meter"  
>for such conditions is a Kodak Pocket Photo Guide and its Available  
>Light calculator table. That produces estimates that are much closer  
>to right on than metering.
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I see your point. I don't entirely agree.

>>Can't do that in the field for static subjects (Which is where I shoot
>>all of mine). High Mag finders are useless for moving subjects, but
>>quite useful for static shubjects in the field.
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>Use a laptop instead of a 23" monitor, transferring your storage card  
>to the computer to read it. Do it combined with focus bracketing.
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Yep, take 6lbs of gear instead of a few ounces. Not practical for most 
people, especially since you're already carrying a good tripod for this 
sort of work.

>Listen: I do appreciate the use of a high rez finder head for  
>precision work on film. I had one for my Nikon F2 and F3 bodies, it  
>was a joy. On film, you cannot tell what you have until long after  
>the moment of exposure ... even with Polaroid 35mm instant process  
>film. Getting the focus right on the money with your precious film  
>captures is essential.
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>It's almost completely unnecessary for digital capture work, however,  
>because you can check what you got immediately and re-do as required.  
>You can focus bracket then delete all the exposures that didn't do  
>what you wanted ... with a DS and a 2G card, I have room to play with  
>almost 200 RAW captures. Surely I can focus well enough that  
>bracketing by a tiny bit should get the results I want in 4-5 shots  
>at most. I do this with tabletop product work all the time .. makes  
>it much easier to get what I wanted when all I want is the shot done  
>in the minimum time. This is not art, this is photographic  
>recording ... exploit the advantages of digital to get more done in  
>less time. A 2x finder magnification gives enough focusing accuracy  
>that you should be able to get what you want in one shot anyway.
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That's essentiall how I do things with my D50, although I use a 1.17x 
magnifier (DK-21M eyepiece, works on Pentax DSLR's too). Note some of us 
are doing art with their macro work though, even if you aren't. 
Personally I find the angle finders awkward, mostly due to the 
mechanical connections, an issue that doesn't exist with the LX or F3 
high magnification finders.

>Different technology, different ways of working. What is a huge  
>advantage for one is not necessarily of much value for the other.
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Won't disagree there.

>Godfrey
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-Adam

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