On 2006-06-27 15:43, John Francis wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarification. I now understand better what magnification
>> means. I did not expect that what you see in the viewfinder of a DSLR is
>> that much smaller than the image of a full frame.
> 
> Note that I'm comparing an MX (an early, minimal-automation camera)
> with the *ist-D.  The later Pentax bodies, with more information to
> be shown in the viewfinder, dedicate less of the total area to the
> image - they have to leave room for electronic readouts for aperture,
> shutter speed, focus point selection, focus confirmation, over/under
> exposure, etc.  The MX had minimal additional information; the shutter
> speed was superimposed on the image area, and the aperture was visible
> through a small window that let you see the aperture ring on the lens.
> The only extra information was the five coloured LEDs for exposure
> (an electronic form of the old match needle metering).
> 
> By the time you get to the auto focus bodies, though, the magnification
> has been cut back to somewhere between 0.7x and 0.8x.  For bodies such
> as the MZ-6 (aka the ZX-L) or MZ-7 (ZX-7) the total image area, at 90%
> coverage and 0.7x magnification, is only a little larger than the *ist-D
> (95% coverage and 95% magnification of a rectangle only 67% of full frame).

That's an interesting info. Yes, the MX seems to be very special, where
MX-6/7 are special on the other edge of the scale.
The *istDL / K100D is within a different range than the  *istD / *istDS.

>From http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/viewfinder.html I learn that a magnification
of 1.00 would be perfect when you have your standard lense (50 mm full
frame) and crosscheck with the open other eye. 

I guess this technique is hardly used with current cameras?

The page named above lists the magnification for different cameras. I
found those results after I checked Boris' (always excellent) overview,
since it lacked a viewfinder magnification for the LX (side note below).
Robert Monaghan's numbers differ slightly from the spec numbers: Both PZ-1
and ZX-5 are speced at 0.8, while Robert names 0.86 and 0.78.


Here's the full Pentax list from Boris:

model           VF      vis     mount
MZ-6 / ZX-L     0.7     92%     KAF
MZ-7 / ZX-7     0.7     92%     KAF
MZ-30 / ZX-30   0.7     92%     "crippled" KAF
*ist            0.7     90%     "crippled" KAF
MZ-S            0.75    92%     KAF2
MZ-D            0.75    92%     KAF2
MZ-10 / ZX-10   0.77    92%     KAF2
MZ-50 / ZX-50   0.77    92%     "crippled" KAF
MZ-60 / ZX-60   0.77    90%     "crippled" KAF
MZ-M / ZX-M     0.77    92%     KA2
Z-10 / PZ-10    0.77    92%     KAF2
Z-50p           0.77    92%     KAF2
Z-70 / PZ-70    0.77    92%     KAF2
MZ-3            0.8     92%     KAF2
MZ-5n / ZX-5n   0.8     92%     KAF2
MZ-5 / ZX-5     0.8     92%     KAF2
Z-1p / PZ-1p    0.8     92%     KAF2
Z-1 / PZ-1      0.8     92%     KAF2
Z-5p            0.8     92%     KAF2
Z-5             0.8     92%     KAF2
Z-20 / PZ-20    0.8     92%     KAF2
SFXn/SF1n       0.81    92%     KAF
SFX/SF1         0.81    92%     KAF
superA          0.82    92%     KA
programA        0.82    92%     KA
A3/A3000        0.82    92%     KA
P5/P50          0.82    92%     KA
P3n/P30n        0.82    92%     KA
P3/P30          0.82    92%     KA
SF7/SF10        0.82    92%     KAF
MV1             0.85    92%     K
MV              0.85    92%     K
*ist DL         0.85    95%     "crippled" KAF2
KM(motor)       0.87    93%     K
KM              0.87    93%     K
MG              0.87    92%     K
K2 DMD          0.88    95%     K
K2              0.88    95%     K
KX(motor)       0.88    93%     K
KX              0.88    93%     K
K1000SE         0.88    ? %     K
K1000           0.88    ? %     K
LX(early)       0.9     98%     K
LX(late)        0.9     98%     K
ME F            0.95    92%     KF
ME Super        0.95    92%     K
ME              0.95    92%     K
*ist D          0.95    95%     "crippled" KAF2
*ist DS2        0.95    95%     "crippled" KAF2
*ist DS         0.95    95%     "crippled" KAF2
MX              0.97    95%     K


Comments on LX: there are eight exchangable viewfinders, but I did not see
specs for them. Some sources name 0.9, others 0.86. Visible area is speced
at 98%. Other sources confirm 98% vertically, but 95% horizontally.

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