[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 7/23/2006 5:47:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You want us all to go back to a hunter-gatherer life-style? How 
> could we use or Pentax's then?
> ========
> I meant a scientific formula based on nature, re animals, re carrying 
> capacity does not apply to man who distributes resources differently than 
> animals do. 
> Overpopulation cannot be defined that way for mankind. I thought I was pretty 
> clear. You jumped way off the board from the point I made. 
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 

My point was that the natural/unnatural divide is too simplistic.

Animals differ considerably ecologically, as do human societies.

Some animals farm. Some animals use resources from distant 
locations. Obligate parasites rely absolutely on the presence of 
hosts. All of these are different uses of resources.

It is difficult to argue that the hunter-gathering lifestyle, 
probably the earliest human lifestyle, is not natural. Then some 
societies developed agriculture. At what point do you decide that 
human society is no longer "natural"?

Our technology gives us considerably greater power to obtain, 
transform and use resources but the idea that we do things in 
fundamentally different "unnatural" manner is, as I said, too 
simplistic.

Further, estimates of carrying capacity for human societies 
depend critically upon the assumptions made, particularly with 
respect to recycling and future technology.

We are doing things now, which people 100 years ago could not 
possibly imagined and which people 1,000 years ago would regard 
as completely magical. I see no reason to expect this to change.

Keith McG

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