The Panasonic DMC-L1 allows use of an aperture ring to set aperture (on 
lenses so equipped), but the aperture ring is entirely virtual, it's not 
a mechanical aperture ring, just an electronic control on the lens (just 
like the focus ring on all Oly and Leica 4/3rds lenses)

-Adam


Brendan MacRae wrote:
> 
> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>Not true. The aperture of any A/F/FA/DA lens is set
>>by the body in  
>>all modes with any of the Pentax DSLRs, presuming
>>the aperture ring  
>>(if the lens has one) is set to the A position. In
>>Av and Manual  
>>mode, you set the aperture with a control on the
>>body, the body sets  
>>aperture per your setting.
> 
> 
> Ah, I see. Hence my confusion. I see what you're
> saying. Yuck, well when and if I switch to the K10D, I
> suppose I'll have to get used to that...if I can.
> 
> 
>>I understand you are working with an MZ-S, which
>>does not have body- 
>>controlled manual aperture settings. 
> 
> 
> It's true! And an LX, which is so old it doesn't even
> have Shutter Priority...
> 
> 
>>Nearly all modern SLRs set the aperture manually via
>>a control on the  
>>body. Nikon, Canon, Minolta aka Sony, Pentax. In not
>>so much time,  
>>you might not have any option to buy anything else
>>other than as used  
>>gear.
> 
> 
> Ok, but really modern DSLR's, correct?
> 
> I don't  
> 
>>play the guitar.
> 
> 
> Pitty, you're never too old to learn!
> 
>  
> 
>>I drink my single malt without adulteration (water,
>>ice, etc), if  
>>that's what you mean! :-)
> 
> 
> Exactly, good man!
> 
> 
>>Same here. The DS is almost permanently in Av mode,
>>and occasionally  
>>in Manual mode.
> 
> 
> Ahh, right...the clouds have parted...
> 
> 
> 
>>Same here. On the *ist DS, setting the exposure mode
>>to Av (and  
>>presuming the aperture ring is set to A or there is
>>none) the thumb  
>>wheel controls the aperture. Just flick it back and
>>forth to adjust  
>>your lens opening.
> 
> 
> Damn! How did I ever miss that? Oh yeah, I don't own a
> DSLR yet. That's sounds no fun to me. I'll need to try
> that soon to see if I like it. Hey! Maybe that's
> Aaron's secret...you can operate the K10D like a film
> SLR in this regard.
> 
> 
>>I would never buy an SLR that did not give me the
>>option of direct  
>>control over the lens opening. Whether the control
>>is on the body or  
>>the lens is irrelevant to me.
> 
> 
> Well, like I've said, it's not irrelevent to me if
> it's controlled on the body (but then, you must be
> used to it by now) but I agree. It's an absulote must
> to have said control...somewhere.
> 
> Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good lord, I
> had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm just
> pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras operate
> that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
> 
> You see, I knew there was a reason to come back into
> the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old fashioned.
> 
> -Brendan
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