Since you claimed I said something, then used your post to back up the claim (Depsite me proving I said no such thing). You are most definitely a liar.
-Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I am not a liar. I responded to MY question "( Why do you > Use M42 bodies and lenses stopped down ALL the time"). > With that it was faster. Those were your words not mine. > > Secondly, you never stated you needed to see DOF > All the time, most sane people just check it and > Go back to wide open to compose and shoot. > > Lastly, even if I made a mistake ( which ALL people do >>From time to time ) regarding whether you said most > Or all, it doesn't make me a liar, it makes me mistaken > Which is a big difference. > > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Adam Maas > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:54 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT > > My disinclination to correct your misstatement does not mean that I > stated it is so, especially when I'd stated immediately upthread how I > actually did use it. So you are using your own statement as your proof > that I said something, making you a fucking liar (not that that was in > doubt previously, given your refusal to admit to your own statements on > why old lenses should be supported when WR pointed out a major > conttradiction in your position). > > And focusing and composing stopped down can be faster, since focusing > speed is pretty much the same from wide open to stopped down 1-2 stops > and I don't have to pause and use the DoF stop-down to confirm DoF and > adjust focus to meet DoF requirements. Of course, this only applies to > bodies which can operate in both modes, like M42 bodies or Mamiya 645's. > > -Adam > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> I specifically asked you WHY WHY WHY you did >> It all the time (that was my error) and you replied because its >> Faster, you didn't correct me and say you >> Did it some or most of the time with your >> Reply at that time so blame doesn't go only my way on this. >> Secondly, its not faster anytime is it? >> How is focussing and composing with the lens >> Aperture Closed EVER faster when you have an open >> Aperture body and lens? >> jco >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of >> Adam Maas >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:17 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >> >> Actually, I just dug through my sent mail folder to find out exactly >> what I had said on the issue. I did NOT say 'all the time', I said > this: >> "Hell, I don't even use auto-aperture function on my M42 lenses most > of >> the time on my M42 bodies (yeah, I still shoot with a Chinon CM-3 on >> occasion, and even more rarely with my Spotty). >> >> -Adam " >> >> So, JCO, do I get an apology about you putting words in my mouth (Even > >> if you did misuse that phrase as well) or are you just a liar? >> >> -Adam >> >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >>> No, aparently you are unfamiliar with the general usage of the phrase > >>> 'all the time', which means 'on a regular basis'. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>> See , you changed your story. You initially stated >>>> You shot stopped down ALL THE TIME which was the >>>> Very reason I pressed on the matter because it was >>>> Senseless way to opertate. >>>> jco >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of >>>> Adam Maas >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:54 AM >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>> >>>> Except, based on the caveats I gave (Close to wide open, in good >> light), >>>> your arguments are incorrect. >>>> >>>> Your arguments are only correct for small apertures and low light. > IN >>>> which case, I focus wide open. And I rarely do the former, ant >> typically >>>> use my open-aperture only gear for the latter. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>> It is NOT faster to focus stopped down, the wider DOF and dimmer >> image >>>>> Makes it HARDER not easier to focus accurately. Why >>>>> Do you think auto aperture cameras and lenses were developed >>>>> Way back in the 50's? Because its easier and faster way >>>>> To work. I know because I have been using those cameras >>>>> For years and years too. Less DOF means easier focus. Period. >>>>> I am not arguing how he works, I am arguing the REASON >>>>> He gave. >>>>> jco >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf >>>> Of >>>>> Shel Belinkoff >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:56 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: RE: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>>> >>>>> You're just making a fool of yourself. What hubris to tell someone >>>> how >>>>> they choose to photograph or use their gear is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Let me tell you something ... I don't know how old you are or how >> long >>>>> you've been photographing, but I'm willing to wager you're not as >> old >>>> as >>>>> I >>>>> and that you've not been photographing as long either. When I shot >>>> with >>>>> Spotties back in the late sixties, I'd often shoot with the lens >>>> stopped >>>>> down, and depending on the lens, light, and scene, I'd shoot @ 5.6 >> or >>>>> 8.0. >>>>> I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. Shooting that way could be fast >> and >>>>> accurate. With the better finders of today - brighter and more >>>>> contrasty - >>>>> it's even easier to shoot in that manner. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, YOU don't have to see it. It's what Adam sees that >> matters. >>>>> To call someone you don't know stupid and a liar here in a public >>>> forum >>>>> shows more about you and your character than you probably want us > to >>>>> know. >>>>> >>>>> Shel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>> From: J. C. O'Connell >>>>>> See my last post, your reason for doing so is flawed >>>>>> And there are other reasons why its worse too. >>>>>> jco >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> Adam Maas >>>>>> John, You Ignorant Slut, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's quicker and I can see what's in focus at all times. Simple as >>>>> that. >>>>>> Just because you don't, doesn't mean I can't. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>>>> When the thread title is stupid I am going to comment on it. >>>>>>> Secondly why havent you told us WHY WHY WHY you shoot with >>>>>>> M42 auto-aperture lenses and bodies stopped down all the time? >>>>>>> I don't believe it, either your stupid for doing so or your >>>>>>> A liar for saying so unless you have some good explanation >>>>>>> For doing so which I simply cant imagine as I am a LONG TIME >>>>>>> User of M42 bodies and lenses and that makes no sense whatsoever >>>>>>> To me at this point. I'd love to hear your reason for doing so. >>>>>>> Maybe there is something I am missing but I cant see it. >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
