Well said. Absolutes are always ill-conceived. Paul On Oct 26, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Gonz wrote:
> Faith and knowledge are not orthogonal to each other, which is what > the > original statement implied. > > I may know how the snowflake was created in physical terms, but may > also > have faith in a Creator who enabled the physical laws to create > such beauty. > > You can never prove that an arrowhead was created by a human, > unless you > were there to witness it or there is a chain of trust to someone who > witnessed it (this also requires faith). Of course we believe that it > is the case, because its unlikely to have taken on that shape on its > own. However improbable, its still possible that the stone just > looked > like that. > > Life looks quite improbable according to the laws of entropy, but its > here. We could choose to believe that a Creator had something to do > with it, or we could also choose to believe that self replicating > molecular structures just appeared from the random chaos of the > primordial soup. Both require some form of faith. > > IMO there is no such thing as pure knowledge. After all what do we > really "know"? So we're all ignorant. > > rg > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> By ignorance I mean absence of knowledge, not stupidity. >> >> We know (rather than simply believe) that a human created the arrow >> head not only because it looks man-made, but because it looks man- >> made >> _and_ we have multiple compelling lines of independently verifiable >> and mutually verifying evidence to support the conclusion, not least >> of which is that we've seen it done by many people. >> >> It's a logical fallacy to conclude that just because something looks >> as though it was designed by an intelligence, that in fact it was. >> You >> need more & better evidence. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Bob >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Tom C >>> Sent: 26 October 2006 20:41 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: OT: Snowflake >>> >>> No - I see it has attributes that indicate it has a maker or >>> designer. A >>> roughly symmetrical chipped piece of flint lying on the >>> ground is believed >>> to be an arrowhead. We don't see the aboriginal that crafted >>> the arrowhead >>> yet we believe the event occurred. We don't see the designer of our >> >> >>> physical universe, far more complex, and since we can't see >>> one, we believe >>> one does not exist. >>> >>> That doesn't manifest ignorance? >>> >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>>> That is astonishing. I'm an atheist but it's difficult to look at >>> that >>>> photo and not perceive a creator. >>>> >>> >>> Ah, the Argument from Personal Ignorance - "I don't know how that >> >> came >> >>> to be, therefore God made it". >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
