On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Gonz wrote:

>> Your logic is flawed. Being able to dream up interesting things is
>> one thing. Being able to engineer and manufacture them is quite
>> another.
>
> No, thats exactly what I meant.  You don't need an engineering  
> degree to
> "engineer" or design stuff.  I meant dreamt up in a complete way,
> including getting it to market.  I remember working with some
> programmers in the early 80's that were some of the best  
> programmers in
> the business, and they learnt the domain knowledge they needed on the
> fly, ... by reading....they did not have a formal education.

No one, certainly not me, ever said that having a "formal education"  
was essential to intelligence or knowledge. Those people were self- 
educated in their field of expertise. It become more difficult to do  
this as the knowledge required to understand the scope of a subject's  
complexity increases.

I am one of those self-taught software engineers of the 1980s myself.  
My formal education had nothing to do with programming computers. I  
made a 20+ year successful career out of self-taught skills in  
programming and systems design.

However, my education did teach me how to detect horsepucky when I  
heard it. Someone who boasts of their lack of education is stupid in  
my book, and to suggest that they have credible opinions about a  
complex subject when they demonstrate that they know little to  
nothing about research is horsepucky.

G

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