Hi Bruce,

I understand.  I grew up in Colorado Springs.  About a mile away from Garden 
of the Gods with Pikes Peak and the front range looming large from the back 
yard.  While it's a beautiful city and the mountains are beautiful, I don't 
think most shots taken from that childhood back yard would be particularly 
good photographs, even though the overall scene ,feeling, ambience, and 
memories are pleasant.

To get a good shot I'd have to go about .5 to 1.5 miles away to find a 
composition where the lay of the land and the natural elements worked in a 
way that I liked.

Hope I didn't come across as uppity somehow.

Tom C.



>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: PESO - Mountain Majesty
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:59:35 -0800
>
>Hello Tom,
>
>I appreciate your comments.  Feedback is always good.  This may be an
>interesting case because of familiarity.  Having grown up in this
>valley, I am very familiar with the mountain scenes there.  I have
>shown this to others who live in this area and have gotten positive
>responses.  But those who haven't aren't familiar don't particularly
>like it.  This could certainly be a case of expectations.  Thanks so
>much for putting your feelings into words and sharing them with me.
>
>--
>Bruce
>
>
>Wednesday, January 3, 2007, 11:19:33 AM, you wrote:
>
>TC> I have to ask what you're going to do with the photo.  It documents 
>that you
>TC> were there, but would you hang it on a wall?  Would it be the kind of 
>photo
>TC> that's saleable?  Not that the last point matters that much, but what 
>are
>TC> you trying to achieve?  I know the mountains around Salt Lake are 
>beautiful
>TC> and that was likely the motivatotion to press the shutter release.
>
>TC> I feel those elements distract from the grandeur of the mountains.  Not 
>that
>TC> there shouldn't or couldn't be other elements, but these, IMO, are 
>placed
>TC> incorrectly to make it a pleasing photo.  There can be foreground trees 
>but
>TC> at least a portion of it here is out of focus with the ugly leaf 
>hanging on
>TC> the left.  I realize you shot from where you were in this instance, but 
>the
>TC> road and chain link fence does nothing to make it a pretty picture.
>
>TC> IMO, majestic mountains often don't need any context and adding it can
>TC> detract from their sublime beauty.
>
>TC> I'm not trying to be critical, just giving you the feedback you 
>requested.
>TC> I realize you were probably not out on a serious photo-taking 
>expedition,
>TC> just out for a walk maybe... but if your main subject was the same and 
>you
>TC> had a different vantage point where you could cleanly incorporate other
>TC> natural elements, while excluding the unnatural, I think it would 
>benefit.
>
>TC> Tom C.
>
>
> >>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >>Subject: Re: PESO - Mountain Majesty
> >>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:56:11 -0800
> >>
> >>It will be good to hear from others to see how they feel.  FWIW, I
> >>like the elements that seem to bother you.  I have shot those
> >>mountains without nothing around them and there is no perspective to
> >>get a feel for them.  They just look like a mountain of some sort.
> >>
> >>Thanks for your candid comments.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>Wednesday, January 3, 2007, 10:24:23 AM, you wrote:
> >>
> >>ft> On 1/3/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Standing down in the flat valley really gives these mountains a 
>sense
> >> >> of power.  Taken in Utah.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
> >> >> ISO 100, 1/350 sec @ F/11
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/snow2006_01.htm
> >> >>
> >>
> >>ft> I'm not sure that I'm as thrilled with this one as I am with most of
> >>ft> your other work, Bruce.
> >>
> >>ft> A couple of things that bother me:
> >>
> >>ft> 1)  The tree in the mid-ground on the left is about the same 
>apparent
> >>ft> height as the mountain - it lessens the impact of the massiveness of
> >>ft> the mountain, IMHO.
> >>
> >>ft> 2)  The dark tree in the foreground seems to be "touching" the tree
> >>ft> mentioned in point one.  I'm distracted from the main subject
> >>ft> (presumabely the mountain) as I ascertain what tree is which. I 
>don't
> >>ft> mind photos in which there's a lot going on, but with this one, all
> >>ft> this only takes away from the impact of the main subject, without
> >>ft> adding any meaningful narrative.
> >>
> >>ft> 3)  The dark trunk upper left is a distraction.
> >>
> >>ft> But, maybe it's just me...
> >>
> >>ft> cheers,
> >>ft> frank
> >>
> >>
> >>ft> --
> >>ft> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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