They were also fully "modern humans", who we know are adaptable, and in 
many ways as hard to kill as a cockroach.

Gonz wrote:
> Well, here's the archeological evidence that led the author to that 
> conclusion:
>       * they had no agricultural technology, i.e. they were hunter gatherers, 
> this came from their fossilized remains + the remains of their prey
>       * they were huge, large skulls and bones
>       * their weapons were huge, designed to take down large game
>       * they hardly lived past the age of 20, from the bone record, the 
> author guesses this is because of the riskiness of taking down such 
> dangerous prey
>       * they lived right before the end of the ice age
>       * their prey moved north as it got warmer
>       * their prey went extinct, probably due to the global warming, which 
> caused their food source to go away
>       * the nearest arrival of the next wave of immigrants (mongoloid) came 
> much much later
>       * some evidence of cannibalism is present, which may or may not 
> indicate desperate situation, or it could just indicate some type of 
> ritual killing
>       * their short life span created a small birth rate
>
> So, it might not be so far fetched.  We will never know for sure of course.
>
> rg
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Oh, I agree that there were precursors to the current Native Americans, 
>> there's a fare amount of evidence, of them, but global warming killing 
>> them off, really.  That's what's silly.
>>
>> Gonz wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> What's silly about it.  Its not talking about the native americans that 
>>> were here when the Europeans arrived.  Its talking about their 
>>> predecessors.  How do you explain their archeological remains?
>>>
>>> rg
>>>
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>>>> That's just silly...
>>>>
>>>> Gonz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> A book I'm reading right now indicates that the evidence points to these 
>>>>> first settlers to have been done in by.....drum roll please.... "Global 
>>>>> Warming".  Yup, the melting of the last Ice Age drove all the 
>>>>> elephant-like creatures and huge jumbo bison further north and 
>>>>> eventually to extinction.  The native humans could not adapt, and they 
>>>>> died off.  Apparently they had no mongoloid features, so they were not 
>>>>> the same race of people as the later settlers.
>>>>>
>>>>> rg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I think that describes many "Native American's" quite well  There is 
>>>>>> some evidence that those who emigrated from Asia during the last ice age 
>>>>>> weren't the first, but it doesn't fit the stereotype so this evidence is 
>>>>>> sometimes suppressed.  The current natives may have actually displaced 
>>>>>> earlier residents of this continent, thus depriving them of ultimate 
>>>>>> victim hood. Personally I  find victim hood to be  a crock, you live 
>>>>>> with the world you're given, but some people make it their carriers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brendan MacRae wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Well, yes, good point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I was referring to the point of view of Nativists
>>>>>>> who claim to be "true Americans," vis-a-vis their
>>>>>>> fellow immigrants. The idea that it's "those others"
>>>>>>> that endager "us" rather than the point of view of
>>>>>>> true Native Americans (to whom all whites were a
>>>>>>> threat) which is what you describe. Nativism is,
>>>>>>> paridoxically, a construct that doesn't apply to them
>>>>>>> since it describes only those who tout a dubious claim
>>>>>>> of originality. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Brendan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I think it has been.  Once the Europeans came here,
>>>>>>>> Eden became endangered
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>>>>> From: Brendan MacRae 
>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>> The idea that America is an "endangered
>>>>>>>>> Eden." It isn't, of course. It never has been. 
>>>>>>>>>    
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