On 1/22/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > then why did you bother?
> Because I'm tired of the crap.

you take the words out of my keyboard....

> I did a bit of real research, Human Rights Watch  for the estimate of
> the Kurdish death toll. www.GlobalSecurity.org has a nice set of numbers
> for the Iran Iraq war estimates, they agree in general with several
> other sources.  www.kuwait-embassy.or.jp for the Kuwait numbers.  There
> were a number of places that had minimum and maximum numbers for total
> dead from the Ba'athist regimes over 30 years, I took two that were
> neither the highest nor lowest figures.

nobody's defending saddam. it's just that in a lot of places the US
isn't perceived as being very different. statistics like the one
provided by JHU often support that perception.

> It's very difficult to find data on genocidal regimes such as the Ba'ath
> party under Saddam, they tend to not file reports with the UN about
> their illegitimate activities.  By the way, anyone who's done any
> "Social Science", (and I use the word science very loosely in this
> context), research will tell you that survey data is not to be trusted,
> especially if there are actual bodies that can be counted.  It seems
> that the JHU never heard that, at least based on the article as I read it.

you can always ask them (and MIT which supported the study) to shut up
and go home....

regards, subash

> SJ wrote:
> > i got my figures of casualties in iraq after the US invasion
> > (6,50,000 total, 3000 american) from a peer-reviewed findings of the
> > the School of Public Health of the Johns Hopkins University. see here:
> >
> > http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2006/16oct06/16iraq.html

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