YOU are the one confused here. ALL autoaperture
M42 lenses have "open-aperture auto aperture" (your
term, not mine), that's
what auto aperture ISs by defintion. The lens aperture
stays open all the time during focus and composition
and only stops down during the moment of exposure. It then
reopens immediately and automatically after the 
exposure is made. The vast majority
of M42 lenses are auto apeture models. Yes, there are/were
some presets, some semi-automatics, and some manuals
with regards to the aperture function but the vast
majority of them (M42) are full auto-aperture.

The reason I say you are confused is you are associating
the metering directly with the autoaperture ( someone else was
doing the same thing too, but its a mistake ) because the
metering technique is independent of the auto aperture
function. Most M42 bodies do stop down metering, but this
is only temporary, during the metering function itself, and 
the lens goes back to normal autoaperture functioning
once the proper meter reading is made ( if the body even
has metering, or you choose to use it, or choose to
take another meter reading).

OPEN APERTURE METERING- which is what I think you
are referrring to ( which is not the same thing as
auto apeture), is where you can take meter readings
without stopping down the lens. That is not as
common as autoaperture, but it is not as needed
or useful as autoaperture is either. All open aperture
metering lenses have autoapeture function too, but 
not all autoaperture lenses have open aperture metering
function. I am not advocating  a dedicated M42 DSLR
be produced for open aperture metering, I am advocating
one to get the AUTOAPERTURE function, which most
M42 lenses support, and which is sorely lacking when
you mount M42 lenses on any current DSLR including
Pentax's via a M42 mount adapter ring.

jco

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> ===============================================
> NO, I wasnt confusing the two, I was taking
> both into consideration. Its not a complex
> a mechanism to DEVELOP or MFG. Far simpler
> than the rest of the camera, which wouldnt
> even need changing.

        If it's so friggin' simple, why don't you just do it and let us 
all know when we can buy your camera at Wal-Mart.

No, its not as simple as
> the cam sensor for K/M lenses would be, but in
> my opinion the benefit of the M42 camera (AUTO
> APERTURE) is not minor and far more important
> than the K/M aperture sensor would be for K/M
> lenses would be for PK DSLR bodies. Its a MAJOR
> MAJOR MAJOR flaw to not have autoaperture function,
> far worse than limted meter or Lack of AF would
> ever be.
> jco
> ===============================================
>
        So exactly what functionality does an auto-aperture M42 
lens/body combination have that is not gained by an aperture coupler in
a 
K-mount?

        IIRC, there aren't many of the millions of M42 lenses out there 
that have open-aperture auto aperture.  Most are auto/manual stop-down 
metering.

-Cory

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