Hi all.
   As I am reading threads with two days lag (the web version is
   _that_ slow), it all might have been answered already. I address
   the issue of "bellows factor" and its difference in tele or
   wideangle slr lenses, as well as T stop.


   1) f/stop can't be just focal length/front diameter, because front
   diameter is much larger in retrofocus wideangles (my 2.8/20 has
   ~65mm dia, but it isn't f/0.3 lens <g>).
         Also, to even more complicate it, f/stop isn't just physical
         diaphragm/aperture opening dividing focal length...

         I can't find the exact calculation at the moment, but I
         remember that it included such values like entrance pupil
         diameter and exit pupil diameter, and that the diaphragm
         diameter wasn't included directly!

   2) T/stop (true transmission, in practice, than only computed,
   theoretical, geometrical transmission). It is measured not
   computed. e.g. one 4/400mm movie lens was stated as T/4.5
   transmission stop. It is slower because of light losess at each
   air-glass surface (due to reflectance of uncoated glass, even SMC
   glass reflects some light). With formula on Boz's KMP, we get at
   least 5% loss of light in complex 2.8 pro zoom (usually 12 groups
   or more), with SMC. With advances in SMC this might be less. That's
   T/2.94 instantly. Add to it manufacturers tolerances (about 5%
   too), and 2.8 lens might test actually as 3 (like some 300mm are
   tested to be less, ~280mm).

   3) with retrofocus and tele designs, the usuall formula for close up
   loss of light changes too (or rather we should use formula with
   this in mind). Normally, lens "losess" 2 stops at 1:1
   magnification AFAIK. With tele designs, lens loses up to 1.5x more!
   (this is often cured by using some IF design, which sometimes
   lessens the focal length). OTOH, retrofocus (wide) lenses loose
   less light at 1:1 ! Maybe just 1 stop compared to normal 2 stops.
   That's because again, the entrance and exit pupils come into it.
   Entrance pupil of telephoto lens is large, but exit pupil is small.
   Vice versa in retrofocus wideangle lens. The entrance divided by
   exit (or vice versa?) pupil diameter is in the proper equation for
   loss of light with closer focus than infinity.

   So a plain tele lens without any fancy IF or REAR design might loss
   even almost stop at very close portrait distance. Example
   would be old 4/300 (not *) SMC K, or K 5.6/400 lenses.

   If I find the proper formulas, I will post them, but I guess they
   must be in any good photo encyclopaedia or on web (my focal press
   encycl. is now packed away in crates, as is majority of my library
   :(

   Frantisek
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