Hi Ken,
You might prefer this rendering. I had originally cloned-out the 
out-of-focus branch because it showed some digital fringing. I went 
back and fixed it instead. I also burned the sky in a bit. Next step is 
a blue sky:-).
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5672710&size=lg
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> I think that comes from the perspective of the pro - he's looking to 
> make
> money off it & has to be concerned with what other pros are producing. 
> OTOH,
> if the image is simply for your own personal enjoyment - whatever 
> floats
> your boat.
>
> I think the fussiness of pros, especially the outdoor pros that I 
> know, is
> one of the reasons their stuff sells as it does.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>
>
>> Certainly! Funny that perceptions of what is natural/unnatural seem 
>> to be
>> skewed by what we are used to being shown.  In this case all elements 
>> in
>> the
>> composition were natural but it's perceived otherwise.
>>
>> Sometimes the sky is almost white or becomes very close to white to
>> properly
>> expose the subject.  Juxtapose that sky against a straight line like 
>> the
>> tree and voila!
>>
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:41:48 -0500
>>>
>>> Definitely not being critical of Paul, but I know some pros that 
>>> wouldn't
>>> have taken that shot if they couldn't work around the white sky 
>>> issue.
>>> Me, I might not have noticed the white issue when I took the image, 
>>> but I
>>> would definitely have kept it until I could have taken a better one.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I like the shot alot. Nut Hatches just don't seem to stay still for
>>>> very
>>>> long.  Even when perched they seem to constantly be twitching.
>>>>
>>>> I know everyone's got a feeling about the white sky, which there was
>>>> nothing
>>>> you could do about  in camera.  Maybe a selection on just the white 
>>>> sky
>>>> portion in photoshop and then a curves adjustment to bring it down 
>>>> to
>>> some
>>>> level of gray...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:48:50 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback Marnie. The white background is the sky.
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 3/3/2007 2:38:19 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>>>> Sorry for hogging bandwidth,  but this pic might be worth a look. 
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> demonstrates pretty good performance  from a budget long-lens 
>>>>>> combo:
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> A 400/5.6 plus A2X-S converter. I also  used the Pentax 540 FGZ in
>>>>>> high-speed synch mode with the Kirk Flash  Xtender. Handheld of
>>>>>> course:-). Hey, it's only 800mm. Piece of cake. :-)).  SR turned 
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>> 1.500th, f5.6, ISO 1000. Cropped to about 75% of  frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5672710&size=lg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>> I  like everything but the white background. Since he is on a 
>>>>>> tree,
>>> it
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> very  unnatural.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marnie aka Doe
>>>>>>
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