No need to shout! This is a sensible adult debate, not a shouting match. If you cannot make your point without shouting at me please don't reply at all.
TBH, if you feel that it is OK for a company to abuse a totally dominant market position that is your prerogative. By the looks of the other emails on this subject I suggest you hold a minority opinion on this subject. Most people believe in fairness and ethical business practices and most people do not believe it is fair or ethical to create a monopoly then to use this monopoly to create an artificial market devision and then exploit this to mercilessly screw their customers for as much as their market can stand. While I agree we do not have to buy their products, if we choose not buy their products we do not have any alternative products to buy, hence it is a monopoly. I do enjoy much of the output of the Hollywood studios and would like to continue to enjoy it, but please answer this question without dodging with capitalist rhetoric... Why should I pay twice as much as you to buy a DVD? Drew. J. C. O'Connell wrote: > THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRICE THEM ANY WAY THEY WANT. > Its their work and thats their right. If you dont want to > buy them, you dont have to. Nobody is putting a gun > to your head and making you go to a theater or > buy their DVDS. These are not life-essential products > or services we are talking about here.... > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > drew > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:38 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - for those of youwho haveDVD equipthat can playPAL > systemDVD's > > > Interesting, I think this is where we differ. I believe this is a > monopoly and anti-trust situation. > > They have created their monopoly effectively stopping small movie > companies having any chance of breaking into the high street cinemas and > > dvd retailers and threaten their dominance, they then exploit this > market position to the detriment of almost everyone. > > While i do not have a problem with companies protecting their IP through > > anti copy and scrambling technology, or making a fair profit for their > shareholders. I do object to companies abusing their massively dominant > market position, using techniques like region coding to artificially > create a market and rip-off the public. I can see no justification for > our DVDs being more than twice the price of yours other than pure greed. > > Drew. > > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> I am surprised a photographer would make >> such an arguement. IT"S THEIR PROPERTY (work). >> They have the right to issue it wherever >> and whenever they want, and to do it >> to maximize profits (if any) is not >> only their right, it would be "wrong" >> to force them to do it any way they >> dont want to do it. Its not a monopoly >> or anti-trust situation. >> jco >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of drew >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:47 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT - for those of you who haveDVD equipthat can playPAL >> systemDVD's >> >> >> >> >> >> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>> WRONG >>> region coding is not just "rigging" the market, >> RIGHT, So it is partly for rigging the market then? >> >> >>> it allows DVDs to be released a specific >>> time after the theatrical release regardless >>> of the regional timing. If there was >>> no regional coding, the USA would have to >>> wait much longer for the "global" DVD >>> to be issued because in general many USA >>> marketed films are run later on other regions >>> and would need to be "globally first run out" before >>> a "global" DVD could be issued. By issuing a region >>> 1 DVD only, it can come out much sooner. >>> jco >> >> And pray tell, what purpose does delaying the theatrical release >> around >> the world do for anyone outside the 'first release' area? Nothing at >> all! all it does is allow the film companies to maximize profits by >> shipping the same used film reels around the world after the movie >> closes in the states (the reason given by the movie companies for the >> staggered cinema release is the economics of producing film reels). >> >> Would you have the same attitude if the region coding were on a state >> by >> >> state basis and you had to wait a year to buy a DVD in your state >> because the movie company shipped the same film reels from state to >> state, then go through the full PPV, rental and movie channel > procedure, >> and then when you did get to purchase the DVD it was twice the price >> as >> the shop just over the state line because the film company feel that >> persons on your state can 'stand' a higher cost without complaining? > I >> rather suspect there would be riots if they tried this, yet they do >> exactly this on a world wide basis. >> >> Given that cinemas around the world are converting to digital >> projection, hence removing the whole argument for the staggered >> worldwide release policy (digital cinemas generally download the > movies >> or get an HD DVD), do you think the movie companies will release their > >> stranglehold on the world wide movie price fixing system? because I >> would bet everything I have that they will not. >> >> Drew. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of >>> drew >>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:39 PM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: OT - for those of you who have DVD equipthat can playPAL > >>> systemDVD's >>> >>> >>> <rant mode on> >>> Many of us folks in the UK that care about the region coding feel it >> is >>> a cynical attempt to make us pay extortionate prices and control the >>> market instead of allowing a competitive market to develop. For >>> example, the movie Eragon has recently been release here, the MRP is >> 23 >>> pounds, that is more than 45 bucks! Without region coding, I believe >> our >>> high street prices would be comparable to US prices. >>> >>> Fortunately region free players are readily available here, >>> especially >>> on the cheap units http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yayef hence a large >>> number of on-line stores sell region 1 DVD's at a huge discount from >>> high street stores. The region 1 version of Eragon imported from the >> US >>> costs 13 pounds, just a bit more reasonable! >>> Sadly, it seems the average punter just pays the rip-off price in the >>> high street and perpetuates the situation. >>> >>> IMHO region coding is an immoral attempt to rig the market, and >> control >>> the control it with an iron fist. >>> <rant mode off> >>> >>> Cheers, Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ann sanfedele wrote: >>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ann, >>>>> >>>>> I have time to watch about one-three hour's worth of television a >>>>> week, aside from 15 minutes of news and weather while I'm cooking >>>>> breakfast. TMC, TCM, Discovery, etc might be nice but paying for >> more >>>>> than basic extended cable service (already $50/month, $600 a year) >>>>> seems insane ... most of the cable channels worth watching require > a >>>>> digital cable interface box and can only be had with a 10-channel >>>>> service pack additional, which would double the yearly cost. >>>>> >>>> Mine costs $90 including high speed internet, digital stuff, etc -- >> it >>>> would cost more but >>>> I have a package that doesnt include espn or bravo. >>>> >>>>> At $9 to $15 per DVD, $300-600 a year is a LOT of good movies that >>>>> I can buy and reuse whenever I feel like it rather than wait for >>>>> when >>>>> the various cable channels choose to show them and hope that I have >>>>> the time at that moment to watch. And ... no commercials, no >>>>> editing for television format, extra material on the higher end > DVDs about >>>>> the series, better quality, etc. >>>>> >>>>> "200 channels and nothing to watch" is a perfect description of >>>>> most of what I see on television. >>>>> >>>>> I do go to the movie theater, primarily for good indies but also >>>>> for a lot of the better big bux films. There is a huge difference >>>>> in the presentation of a movie on a big screen in the theater > compared to >>>>> watching that same show on a television screen, though more for > some >>>>> than for others. I go to the theater when other people generally >>>>> don't in order to avoid children and obnoxious crowds. It's >> expensive >>>>> but worth it to me. >>>>> >>>> Expensive is key word -- even senior it is $7.00 or $7.50 in NY... > >>>> then you watch 20 minutes of promos that are so loud that I have to >>>> stand outside the door to the theatre until they are over... >>>> and...well, there is this other problem I have that makes it at the >>> very >>>> least distracting to sit through >>>> an entire movie -- at home I can get up every 30 minutes without >>>> missing anything. >>>> >>>>> Felipe does watch the occasional broadcast barfola from time to >> time, >>>>> like "America's Next Top Model". Gag me. He keeps me updated on >>>>> modern culture, whatever that might be. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I would rather process and scan film. It's tedious but much more >>>>> enjoyable. >>>>> >>>>> Godfrey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I can't do much of any one thing for very long - even working on >>>> photos.... I really do think I may have ADHD. >>>> >>>> ann >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
