Yes.  You've beaten me down.  I lie on the ground, a pathetic putrifying 
mass of organic material.  Flesh, bone, and blood, life trickling out. 
Steaming in the snow. Barely breathing except for my elbow.


Tom C.


>From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: RE: OT - for those of you 
>whohaveDVDequipthatcanplayPALsystemDVD's
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:18:26 -0400
>
>you continuing arguing on this is wearing thin,
>I clearly stated that my belief is based on
>EVERYTHING I have heard on the topic in 10 years
>which is considerably more that a single story by
>you. And NO I dont belive everything I hear, so
>your single contridictory tale isnt enought to
>change my belief, factors like them not being
>availble from ANY major U.S. Chains and the entire
>existance of the region coding system itself heavily outweighs your
>contradiction at this point for me. Is that
>clear enough for you?
>jco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Tom C
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:43 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: RE: OT - for those of you
>whohaveDVDequipthatcanplayPALsystemDVD's
>
>
> >
> > >>I understand your words. However, if you don't know something for
> >sure,
> > >>i.e., you only think it may be the case, then why strenuously argue
> >the
> > >>>issue?
> >
> >Because thats MY HONEST BELIEF
> >based on everything I have ever
> >heard in my entire life on the topic. I dont
> >have to know "for sure" to know
> >what I beleive because it seems
> >to me you dont know "for sure"
> >the contrary or do you?
> >
> >
>
>Do you believe everything you hear?
>
>I assume when I purchase something at a legitimate retail outlet that
>the
>product I'm purchasing is legally being sold to me and it's legal for me
>to
>use it.  That is the most logical assumption one can make.  It's also
>logical to assume that if 99.9% of potential DVD watchers in America
>don't
>care about non-region 1 DVD's that the major retailers will not stock
>them
>or players to view them with.  I don't know if there's a legal issue
>preventing them from stocking or selling them or not.
>
>It's the same principle as purchasing an exotic fruit or spice.  My
>supermarket does not carry it because not enough people care about it.
>I
>must go to a specialty to store to find it.   Why would I think it was
>illegal for the specialty store to sell the item just because the
>supermarket chain does not?
>
> >You or no one else on this forum
> >has provided me
> >with anything to change that belief
> >based on the 10 years of DVD
> >experience/involvement I have.
> >
>
>You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
>
>
> >Regarding those players you just mention,
> >I dont BELIEVE those were meant for
> >distribution in the USA, they would
> >be in the major chains if they were.
> >I believe those are being sold
> >on a gray or black market here, probably
> >intended for those countries where
> >region coding is not peritted by new
> >laws as some other posters have noted.
> >
>
>And? So...? What's that have to do with whether they are legal for sale
>here
>or not? Gray-market items certainly are.
>
> >Until
> >I hear otherwise from trusty sources or see them being sold
> >at the major U.S. chains, my belief will
> >not change on the matter. Is that clear enough
> >for you?
> >
> >
> >jco
> >
>
>Clear as a ding-dong bell.
>
>Tom C.
>
>
>
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