I say WR's anecdotes are worthless BS 
if he cant explain why I was and am able to 
see and caputure ugly bokeh with
this specific lens as I posted
in the beginning of the thread.
Lenses with good bokeh dont do
that under any circumstances, lenses
with bad bokeh it is possible to get
nice results under SOME circumstances
but you wouldnt get ANY examples of
bad bokeh like I see and can get/
capture. These stories of bad
image processing causing my bad
bokeh with this specific lens 
are not only untrue, I dont
even think it would be possible
to screw up good bokeh with normal
image processing if that's his
contined contention. 
jco

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Subject: Re: M85mm f2.0 bokeh



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: RE: M85mm f2.0 bokeh


> Bill,
>
> Because bokeh is determined by both lens characteristics and the focus

> distance/out of focus distance of the items in the frame, what was 
> your focus distance from the subject?

Hi Tom,
I was really close to minimum focusing distance, about 3 feet from the
wind 
chime, the background lattice was perhaps 12 feet away.
I must say that in some respects I am sorry I got caught up in the 77mm
lens 
for so long, I totally forgot how beautiful and smooth the M85 is for
bokeh. I've done several thousand portraits with the M85/2 over the
years, and have 
never been dissapointed by it.
If I have time this weekend, I think I will do a direct comparison
between 
the bokeh/rendering characteristics of the A85/1.4, M85/2, DA70/2.4 and
the 
FA77/1.8.
I'm betting the M85 will stand up very well against the other three
lenses.

William Robb

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