I don't trust what the 'preachers' say. Quite a few put forth ideas that are 
untenable scientifically.  It's because of them, that people that believe in 
a creator and have a healthy respect and enjoyment of science, are too 
frequently painted with the same broad brush.

With regard to your last statement, I think it's wonderful too.


Tom C.



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>I'll trust what the scientists say, and you trust what the preachers say, 
>and we will see which works better. However, I only trust scientists a 
>little more than I trust preachers. All humans tend to have an agenda they 
>push. One of the things that most scientists know that the lay person does 
>not seem to understand, is how very little they do know.
>
>On a very clear night look into the sky as far as you can see, then pick up 
>a small pebble. Everything there as far as you can see represents what 
>there is to know, the pebble represents what humanity actually knows. To me 
>it is wonderful that we will never run out of things to learn, to others it 
>is scary as hell.
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>
>Tom C wrote:
> >> I don't think many scientists call it a fact.  I've seen it described
> >> in terms such as:
> >>
> >> -As close to fact as a theory can be.
> >>
> >> -One of the longest-standing scientific theories still existant.
> >>
> >> -An as of yet unrefuted theory, a theory in which all of the evidence
> >> to date merely confirms that it can be relied upon.
> >>
> >
> > It confirms nothing of the sort to a true scientist.
> >
> >> Evolution is not used to describe the spontaneous generation of life.
> >> It's used to describe mutations in DNA code and the subsequent success
> >> or failure of such mutants to survive, replicate and pass on that
> >> code.  It explains how life has moved from single-cell organisms to
> >> the huge variance of life on this planet that we see today.
> >
> > It depends what, biologist, cosmologist, paleontologist one would talk 
>to.
> > The field is in an upheaval.
> >
> >> How life started may (or may not - I don't know) still be
> >> controversial among the scientific community, but the failure to
> >> present a viable theory as to how life may have started in no way
> >> refutes the fact that evolution is the best scientific explanation for
> >> the diversity and adaptability of species.
> >>
> >
> > I'm not trying to convince you of anything, BTW. I find first cause and
> > subsequent occurrence to be inseparably linked, in my mind at least.
> >
> >
> >> Picking examples of old theories that didn't stand the test of time in
> >> no way refutes that a current theory works.  That doctors no longer
> >> use leeches (and leeches are making a comeback, BTW!) has nothing to
> >> do with whether the Theory of Evolution holds water...
> >>
> >
> >> cheers,
> >> frank
> >>
> >
> > It doesn't refute the theory. It does show that to put blanket trust in 
>what
> > a scientist says, just because he calls himself a scientist, is not the
> > brightest thing to do.
> >
> > I wouldn't trust a person that didn't know how to change a tire, to 
>inform
> > me of how internal combustion engines work, or of the technological
> > development of the automobile for the last 100+ years.
> >
> > Likewise, since 'scientists' are unable to put together the basic 
>building
> > blocks of life, amino acids, proteins, etc., and produce even one single
> > living cell from the basic components, not to mention a blade of grass, 
>I
> > don't trust them to tell me how it all happened over billions of years,
> > especially when they blatantly ignore evidence of design.  Even if they
> > could do that, it would still indicate an intelligence was required.
> >
> > They think they're pretty smart being able to figure things out.  Yes it
> > does take intelligence to figure out the complex systems and mechanisms 
>that
> > exist in living things.  To turn about face then, and think that these
> > systems and mechanisms, which has taken individual humans lifetimes, and 
>the
> >   human race, arguably thousands of years to reach the point of 
>beginning to
> > understand, had no designer... it's the height of arrogance and willful
> > ignorance combined.
> >
> > Tom C
> >
> >
> >
>
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