That's fine.  I understand the number will have meaning to those that wish 
to know it.  Thanks for the example.

It's Friday so I'm working out my frustrations before the weekend.

Tom C.


>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: AOVCalculator
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:28:40 -0700
>
>It might be important for understanding to see the numbers, Tom.
>
>Sometimes discussion or other activities moves in a theoretical way.
>If you're using several cameras with different format film, sensor,
>etc, you might want or need to see numerical values to visualize what
>different focal lengths (that you do not have to work with ...) might
>present in terms of field of view.
>
>For instance: considering wide angle lenses between the Panasonic L1
>and K10D, the DA14 and Olympus ZD 11-22 @11mm net very close to the
>same diagonal field of view. However, I was curious to find that the
>photos made with the L1 and the 11-22 looked "more wide angle", so I
>did some calculations and compared:
>
>FL       - H FoV - V FoV - D FoV - format
>11mm - 78.6 - 63.1 - 91.3 -  4/3-System
>14mm - 81.2 - 59.5 - 91.7 -  Pentax DSLR
>
>In this instance, the 14mm on the Pentax shows a slightly wider FoV
>diagonally and horizontally, but narrower vertically, than the 11mm
>on the L1 shows. This made me curious as it seemed a little
>contraindicative.
>
>However, I usually print to an 11x14" image area, which is much
>closer to the L1's native 3:4 format proportion. I make that
>adjustment to the K10D's format which nets a different set of numbers:
>
>14mm - 74.5 - 59.5 - 87.1 -  Pentax DSLR cropped to 3:4
>
>and now I could see that the 11mm lens on the L1 definitely produces
>a wider field of view in all dimensions, nearly 5 degrees on the
>diagonal. After thinking about this and looking at a bunch of
>pictures, I came to the conclusion that, for me, wide angle views
>feel wider to my eye when the format proportions are more square, and
>the 11mm lens on the L1 produces a larger sense of space along with a
>wider field of view. Now what I know makes sense.
>
>In other words, seeing the explicit numbers helped me to understand
>then interpret what my gut feeling was. Whether that's important to
>you or not I can't say, but I enjoy understanding stuff like this.
>
>Godfrey
>
>
>On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote:
>
> > I suppose that it may be an interesting exercise for some.  But
> > really,
> > after years and years of using a camera and the experience of looking
> > through different focal length lenses, doesn't one sort of have a good
> > approximate idea of what they're going to capture?  The variability in
> > shooting circumstances alone, proximity to subject, etc., makes the
> > actual
> > AOV number a little moot.  I never think, 'you know lens A has an
> > angle of
> > view of X-degress, I think I'll use that one'.
> >
> > But if the actual number is important, OK. :-)
> >
> >> That's nice if you already own a particular focal length.
> >> Sometimes, however, one might want to have an idea of FoV numerically
> >> for other purposes.
>
>
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