Since this discussion has clearly degenerated, I second Rebekah's and Tom's appeals to abandon this discussion. Even though some of you hurled some rather harsh, untrue, and uncalled-for remarks in my direction, I hold no ill sentiments toward you.
Glen On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Bob W wrote: > Religion is not a matter of reason. Religious people often use the > tactic you've used below, which Daniel Dennett has described as > playing tennis with the net down for one player. On one side the > religious appeal to faith, which is by definition irrational. Yet when > the irreligious mock them, they demand 'reason and discernment'! Har! > I wish you a harvest of turds, my bigoted chum! > > -- > Bob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Glen Tortorella >> Sent: 10 October 2007 23:41 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) >> >> Reading what has been written already, I knew this smear >> would come. >> Can any of you who have responded thus address the matter >> with reason >> and discernment? >> >> Glen >> >> On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Bob W wrote: >> >>> Awesome! Keep it coming! It's like being on a long flight with Mel >>> Gibson. Could you not write your next emails in Aramaic for us? >>> >>> -- >>> Bob >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Glen Tortorella >>>> Sent: 10 October 2007 22:41 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) >>>> >>>> I do not wish to engage in a protracted debate, as this subject > has >>> >>>> arisen only because someone had mentioned why he has chosen to >>>> patronize B&H. Likewise, I should not have to defend my >>>> decision not >>>> to patronize them. >>>> >>>> However, in short, I note that Sacred Scripture does not >> corroborate >>> >>>> your view. You highlight a verse in St. Matthew's Gospel in >>>> isolation. The matter of being aware of those who oppose >> Christ and >>> >>>> His Church has nothing to do with "making friends." Christ came > to >>> >>>> reconcile the world to Himself, and to provide the Good News for >>>> those who were of goodwill, for those who were (and are) willing > to >>> >>>> listen. Christ did not come to ingratiate Himself to the >>>> world, i.e. >>>> to its powers, publicans, and pretenders. Rather, His Cross is >>>> precisely the opposite of that: it stands in overt contradiction > to >>> >>>> the world and its ways. His entire public ministry, which > spanned >>>> three years of His life (beginning at the Wedding Feast of Cana), >>>> contradicts the view that Christ was some sort of UN negotiator. >>>> >>>> Further, His words and actions continually characterize His > Divine >>>> Mission. Since you have brought up St. Matthew's Gospel, let us >>>> search there for Our Lord's edifying words: "Do not think that I > am >>> >>>> come to send peace upon earth: rather I came not to send peace, > but >>> >>>> the sword" (Mt 10:34), "He who is not with me, is against >> me: and he >>> >>>> that gathereth not with me, scattereth (Mt 12:30)," and >> "Every plant >>> >>>> which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up" > (Mt >>>> 15:13). These are not the words of a modern politician. Even > the >>>> Scribes and Pharisees knew that they were the words of no common >>> man. >>>> >>>> Those who contradict and blaspheme Jesus Christ clearly > scattereth, >>> >>>> and, as Our Lord directs, I will avoid having any complicity >>>> in their >>>> doctrines or deeds. >>>> >>>> Glen >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Tom C wrote: >>>> >>>>> I guess the little problem I see with this reasoning is that not >>>>> even God himself takes that viewpoint, according to the Bible. >>>>> >>>>> " >>>>> He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends > rain >>> >>>>> on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matt. 5:45). >>>>> >>>>> To alienate someone for their beliefs is not a way of >>>> making friends. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Glen Tortorella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and film processing (Long winded) >>>>>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:23 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> I thank you for you comments, Scott. Since you have made >>>> note of the >>>>>> subject, I will explain my position with regard to B&H. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am familiar with B&H's reputation for customer service. My >>>>>> avoidance of B&H et. al. has nothing to do with prejudice >>> stemming >>>>>> from a stereotypical opinion of large, New York-based >>>> businesses. My >>>>>> avoidance of businesses such as B&H is founded strictly upon my >>>>>> religious views. I, as much as possible, will not support >>>> those whom >>>>>> I know to honor or reverence that which condemns or blasphemes >>> Our >>>>>> Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, His Blessed Mother, or His Saints. >>> The >>>>>> Talmud, in numerous locations, refers to Our Lord, and His >>> Blessed >>>>>> Mother, in such a manner. Thus, I make an effort to avoid >>>> supporting >>>>>> those who honor the Talmud. >>>>>> >>>>>> I apply a like boycott to business that support ideologies or >>>>>> activities that I find morally objectionable. For example, I, > as >>>>>> much as possible, avoid companies or other establishments that >>> fund >>>>>> Planned Parenthood or promote other attacks on life (including >>>>>> euthanasia, contraception, and unjust wars--which is why I >>>> am opposed >>>>>> to America's occupation of Iraq). I have employed the words, > "as >>>>>> much as possible" here so as to highlight the realities of any >>>>>> boycott. That is, while I have done rather extensive research > in >>>>>> these areas, I know that I do not possess an unlimited access > to >>>>>> information. Secondly, as Jean-Francois Orsini of the St. >>>> Antoninus >>>>>> Institute points out, a complete boycott is rather impossible. >>> One >>>>>> must realize that sources of blasphemy, irreligion, and >>> immorality >>>>>> have lengthy tentacles. For instance, Johnson & Johnson >>>> (a pro-abort >>>>>> firm) produces a dazzling array of name brand and generic >>> products, >>>>>> some of which are necessary for everyday living, and some of >>> which >>>>>> one may not even be able to determine are produced by Johnson & >>>>>> Johnson. Hence, I do that which is physically and logistically >>>>>> possible--what Orsini and others call a "virtual boycott"--and > I >>>>>> leave the rest to Our Blessed Mother. >>>>>> >>>>>> Glen >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Glen Tortorella wrote: >>>>>>>> Thank you, Adam... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will the Moab 5x7 paper you mention work with the R280? >>>> I just >>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to make sure of this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Though, I am somewhat disappointed, as Newegg is now out of >>>>>> stock on >>>>>>>> the R280. I would prefer buying it from them. I know >>>> the R280 is >>>>>>>> probably available (at a good price, too) at one of the >>>> popular >>>>>> New >>>>>>>> York camera stores (B&H, Adorama, etc.), but I would rather >>> not >>>>>>>> purchase it from these stores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, B&H is wonderful to do business with. I've spent >>>> more than I >>>>>>> should have with them over the last few years and have > received >>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>> but good service. Every order has been correct, >>>> shipping has been >>>>>>> within a day or two of placing the order, and the one >>>> time I had a >>>>>>> question for them they replied very promptly with the >>>> information I >>>>>>> requested. You really can't go wrong with B&H. I've >>>> had the same >>>>>>> sort >>>>>>> of service from Newegg, but I prefer to order anything photo >>>>>> related >>>>>>> from the guys in New Yawk. B&H has the R280 in stock at the >>> same >>>>>>> price >>>>>>> as Newegg. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Scott Loveless >>>>>>> http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >>>> directly above >>>>>>> and follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >>>> directly above >>>>>> and follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above >>> >>>>> and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >>>> above and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >>> and follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >> above and follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
