I don't need an editor which can play the Marseillaise via system beeps? Emacs has its uses. It's probably the finest coding environment developed. As a pure text editor, it's useless for most work, far too byzantine unless you live in it (Which, since it can read email and news, and probably by know has a full-featured browser, you can should you so choose).
-Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? > > Adam Maas wrote: >> Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi >> while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing >> commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's >> lightweight and everything has it. >> >> I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word >> processor. >> >> If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the >> Eye Candy. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> P. J. Alling wrote: >> >>> You are a glutton for punishment... >>> >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>>> I use vi >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> Always the odd one out. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom C wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use >>>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? >>>>> >>>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where >>>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with >>>>> the >>>>> K10D. >>>>> >>>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not >>>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will finally >>>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being >>>>>> one now will make little difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 >>>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP >>>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher >>>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so >>>>>> price point. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> - 12 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: "pdml" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> camera >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> camera >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end Pentax >>>>>>>> lens >>>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not >>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> sporting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> NDA) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an >>>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, >>>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more >>>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, >>>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. >>>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd >>>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their >>>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
