In a message dated 10/17/2007 8:08:11 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chicken or egg, dear?
When  I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, 
whether  tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process.
Rather  than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it 
would  be more honest to call spades what they are.
Often, this list is little more  than a circle jerk when it comes to 
reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm  and happy place, and I appreciate that 
people need that in their lives, but  the best way to improve your pictures 
is to have it ruthlessly picked apart,  and have the failings of the picture 
pointed out. Unfortunately, when people  do that, they tend to get spat on.

I don't post a lot of photos at the  moment because most of my photography 
right now is client based for the  studio I am working for, and I'm not 
bothering with securing permission to  show the stuff. My work is selling, 
and making money, I don't need praise  beyond that.

We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of  you for it, and 
I hope you'll feel the same way.

William  Robb


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A lot of us say nothing when we do  not like a photo -- we've talked about 
this a lot over the years. When you share  you get used to who says what and 
over time you know who is not chiming in --  ergo lots or minimal reactions. 
Minimal means many are not saying anything which  is telling all by itself.

There are very few indiscriminate praisers here  -- I don't see that 
happening. What you don't get is that if someone likes  something and someone 
else 
doesn't, it means it rang bells with someone and  maybe not with the other 
80-90%. That is valuable information too. And reactions  are subjective. 

As I said before, when one shows photos one gets a  fairly good idea of how 
"good" the photo is by the reactions on list -- lots of  reactions to minimal 
reactions to lukewarm reactions to high praise.

I  get tired of this idea that there is no point in showing photos here and 
that we  all have our heads up our asses. That if one person says they like a 
photo that  the shower is stupid enough to think it means everyone likes it. We 
don't. You  really think we're all stupid don't you? We know what kind of 
feedback we get.  

Later, Marnie  



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