It seems we may be dancing around the term high ISO.  How do you define it?

With film I thought 400 was sometimes getting into high ISO territory.  With 
DSLR's I consider high ISO to be 1600 and above.  More or less, when I can 
see image degradation without magnification.


Tom C.

>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from
>good high ISO performance. And even family pics and portraits are
>much nicer in available light. I think high ISO performance is a good
>plus for most photographers. That being said I'm far less offended by
>noise and/or grain than most. I've seen many comments here -- "too
>bad it's noisy" -- that really surprised me. Frequently, the noise is
>minimal. Remember when grain was cool? Last year I think.:-)
>Paul
>On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> > Tom C wrote:
> >
> >> Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not
> >> acknowledging that I get yours.
> >>
> >> I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a
> >> holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong,
> >
> > I think you're exactly right, Tom.
> >
> > Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros
> > often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under
> > stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some
> > sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action.
> >
> > But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people
> > who don't really need it.
> >
> > Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for
> > it...
> >
> >
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