Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I might like it 
for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. Thirty-year habits are hard 
to break.
Paul
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The better quality version of this same hand grip is available from  
> B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.  
> They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also  
> fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a full- 
> circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
> camera.
> 
> Here's a picture of my Canon 10D fitted with it from 2003:
>    http://homepage.mac.com/godders/10DwHakubaGrip.jpg
> 
> I don't usually use a neckstrap. For "hands free" capabilities with a  
> hand-strap, I use a modest size shoulder bag, strap across my  
> shoulder and chest bandolier style, where I put the camera when I'm  
> not actively taking pictures. I put a karabiner on the bag's strap so  
> I can clip the camera to it by the hand strap when I'm juggling  
> lenses during changing.
> 
> Some cameras work well with a neck strap, like the Olympus E-1,  
> because of the way the strap mounting lugs are made. But most modern  
> cameras, with simply slot lugs ... I get very annoyed with the straps  
> most of the time. The only SLR camera I've owned since 2000 with  
> these slot lugs that actually did it RIGHT was the Canon EOS IX. The  
> slot lugs pointed the strap *back* from the body so that the camera  
> hung nose-down when on your shoulder or around your neck ... the  
> sensible way they OUGHT to hang with a modern, bulky heavy lens on  
> the front, rather than sticking the front element out in front of you  
> like an erect penis or twisting up the strap to nose it down. That  
> camera also hung under my shoulder and arm just right because of the  
> strap lugs.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > But it can slip off the hand, can it not? I'm not sold on hand  
> > grips. When hung around the neck, I'm still holding the camera, so  
> > it doesn't bang on anything. If I'm in the clear of any objects, I  
> > sometimes just let it hang, but not all that often. I went to  
> > Amazon thinking I might want to by this strap and give it a try.  
> > Then I read one of the customer reviews:
> >
> >  "In a world of copies and imitations, this is just another piece  
> > of junk from the 3rd world. It fits poorly.
> >
> > You'd be better served by going to PetsMart for a nylon dog collar  
> > to thread through your camera's frame mount. Alternatively, spend  
> > the $ and buy an original from your camera's manufacturer.
> >
> > I sent mine back."
> >
> > Hmmmm.
> > Paul
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> I use one like this:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Camera-wrist-camcorders-digital-cameras/dp/ 
> >> B000OMR00C
> 
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