That wuld be artful cmmunicatin. I have a leltter that sticks. Dn't yu hate it when a letter sticks? On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sally Mann's "What Remains," a 2003 photographic collection, is > considered pictorialism and is well regarded. Others still attempt > similar manipulations. Pictorialism may not please everyone, but it > is stil a worthy pursuit. I personally attempt to record moments in > time and generally subscribe to that schoool of photography insofar > as my meager talent will allow. (In fact, I've been called a > voyeur and sniper for not wanting to impact those moments.) But I > can be open minded about any artistic pursuit. Nothing is unworthy > or outdated. It is possible to achieve artful communicatin in a > variety of ways. > Paul > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I must have missed the first part of your rant, and I'm still not >> sure >> what you're saying here. Is this part "But the vigorous amateur >> verité >> **style [...] the gift of photography was the instantaneous reality" >> something that you're saying, or something the documentary is saying? >> >> You haven't included a link to the NYPD crime scene either, so we >> don't know what you're comparing to the Steichen picture or, indeed, >> which you prefer. >> >> What I'm inferring from your so-called rant is that you disagree with >> the claim that pictorialism was an artistic dead end. But this is >> true, and quite clear from the history of art photography. You, and >> many other people, might like or be moved by pictorialism above other >> forms of photography, but that doesn't alter the fact of the matter >> which is that nothing worthwhile has developed from pictorialism as >> far as capital A art photography is concerned. I have the very >> highest >> regard for the founders of pictorialism when it was at the very >> centre >> of art photography - people like P H Emerson, Steichen, Steiglitz and >> so on, but nobody in the world of art photography has done >> pictorialism for a century. >> >> This statement "the gift of photography was the instantaneous >> reality" >> is also unarguably true. I can't tell if it's your claim or the >> documentary's claim, but it is a proposition that I have argued for >> many times in the past, including on this forum. The single thing >> that >> distinguishes photography from all the other representational >> media is >> precisely its ability to capture an instant in time completely >> unmediated by the 'artist' or operator or whatever you want to call >> the person. >> >> What is the amateur verite **style, and what does it have to do with >> pictorialism? And why have you used 2 asterisks in front of style? >> >> Bob >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Derby Chang >>> Sent: 12 February 2008 09:34 >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: The Genius of Photography >>> >>> Sorry for continuing on my rant. The seed was sown a little >>> while ago by >>> this dastardly BBC series >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/photography/genius/ >>> >>> One of the strong themes in an early episode was "Pictorialism was >> an >>> artistic dead end". But the vigorous amateur verité **style has >> been, >>> and still is, the driving force of photography as a medium. Whereas >>> Steiglitz and his movement withdrew into smaller and smaller >>> ranges of >>> subject matter and styles, the gift of photography was the >>> instantaneous >>> reality. The photos of the NY Police Dept Crime scene in >>> comparison with >>> the most expensive print on the planet >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pond-Moonlight) is >>> startling. I know >>> which one moves me. >>> >>> D >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow >> the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
