In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring.
Walt On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely > the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to > help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract > that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one > > > Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest > > coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot > > temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing > > melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker > > colored wings in warmer temperatures./ > Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse > adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current > question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a > difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether > processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract > doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. > > AlunFoto wrote: > > If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain > > text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing > > services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about > > some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found > > the abstract interesting too. > > > > Jostein > > > > > > 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to > >> read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color > >> differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter > >> in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters > >> have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand > >> the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were > >> reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a > >> few images without first converting to the correct color space. > >> > >> AlunFoto wrote: > >> > >>> Peter, Walt, Bob, > >>> > >>> Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? > >>> I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of > >>> monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is > >>> mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult > >>> females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than > >>> usual. > >>> > >>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b > >>> > >>> Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) > >>> > >>> Jostein > >>> > >>> 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Walt and Peter, > >>>> I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, > >>>> especially since flash was used. > >>>> Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. > >>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144&size=lg > >>>> Regards, Bob S. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? > >>>>> Great > >>>>> catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Walter Hamler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM > >>>>> Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I > >>>>>> have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Walt > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>> follow the directions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Vote for Cthulhu. 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