I think you are missing some info. The chip in the Dimage 7 is the same one
that is in the Nikon D-1x which is 5.24 MP and 23.7mm x 15.6mm. It's a
matter of semantics.
 When you see a CCD array listed as 2/3 inch it doesn't refer to the actual
size but to the ratio when compared to a 35mm frame. If you multiple the
36x24 dimensions by 2/3 you get 24x16 which is the same as the Nikon chip
just that they are using the exact measurement not a ratio. The Canon D30
uses another brand of chip which is 3.25 MP and 22.7x15.1 which is
considered close enough to be listed as a 2/3 size chip. Which means a 1.6x
lens ratio. The chips that say 1/1.8 inch (Dimage 5 is an example) are
physically approximately 20mm x 13.3mm.
The Canon EOS-1D uses a 4.1 MP 28.7x19.1mm array which might be called a 4/5
inch array if anybody else used it.
This camera is not so much designed as something a D30 user would move to
but something an EOS-1 user would use because the focal length aspect ratio
change is not as great so keeping your existing lenses would still make
sense in this case. Difference between a 200/1.8 being a 260/1.8 verses a
320/1.8 with the D30.
Personally if it wasn't for the cost I'd think the EOS-1D is about the most
perfect digital camera I've seen yet. It's spec favor my type of shooting.
Unfortunately it doesn't use either Pentax or Minolta lenses.
Kent Gittings

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Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:40 PM
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Subject: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR


Kent G. wrote:

> I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same
> aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody
> settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen.


Kents,
I know you're agreeing with ME here so for me to agree right back again is
getting a little ridiculous, but I just wanted to second this. I truly think
that the opportunity to standardize on a smaller chip size is one of the
great opportunities of the digital revolution, for the very reason you
mention--smaller, lighter, faster, cheaper lenses.

The pro-level f/2.8-speed 28-70 and 80-200 lenses we put up with today are
ridiculous. They're monstrosities--very expensive, and huge. The fact is,
35mm wasn't designed for zoom lenses and it's really too large for them. I'd
like to see commonly used lenses get back down into the size and weight
range of primes during the classic era. The makers have the opportunity to
do that by standardizing on a somewhat smaller CCD size. I fervently hope
they do it.

The next shot in this battle will likely be heard when the Olympus-Kodak SLR
comes out at PMA next year. It will be the FIRST interchangeable-lens SLR
built from the ground up for digital, i.e., not meant for existing 35mm
lenses. Should be really, really interesting.

--Mike

P.S. For an extreme example of what this can mean, look at the 28-200mm
equivalent lens on the Minolta Dimage 7. Now, that's a crappy camera, and
the CCD size is TOO small, but then lens is smaller than a 100mm f/2.8
SMCP-M lens, and it's fast, f/2.8 to 3.5, and it's a SUPERB little lens,
really a bit of a masterpiece.

Granted, this is an extreme example, but just imagine a Pentax digital SLR
that looks like the MZ-S that you could buy an 80-200 f/2 for that was the
size and weight of, say, the current 100mm FA macro, or a 28-70 that was the
size of, say, the 77mm Limited and _faster_ than f/2.8. This is what smaller
CCDs offer. The implications for optics are really exciting.
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