Since medium format already has/had so many formats, 645,6x6,6x7,6x8,6x9
Etc, I strongly doubt any camera company or photographers are going to
Us the simple term "FF" with any of the these cameras because it would
be
Too vague. They might specify "FF 6x6" or "FF 6x9" , but they are not
Going to be using the term "FF" alone on any of these cameras like they
Have been with the "FF" 24x36 DSLRs that use legacy 24x36 film lenses
have been.

JC O'Connell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Anthony Farr
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Sony full frame A900, where's Pentax?

> 
> I think hell just froze over, but I have to agree with JCO here. Full
> Frame is technically just full frame for the basic format (As the new
> PhaseOne P65+ is 645 full frame) but in common usage it refers
> specifically to 24x36mm sensors on a 35mm platform. Common usage has
> already stuck as of several years ago and we'll all just need to deal
> with it.
> 
> --
> M. Adam Maas
> 

How this branch of the conversation began was that someone belittled
Olympus
over not ever being able to go "full frame" because they were "stuck"
with a
lens mount incapable of supporting it.  I pointed out that Olympus has a
different platform that was intended to be the size it is, in which
context
it is indeed "full frame", albeit not 35mm "full frame".

It's true that the 24mm x 36mm camp has monopolised the term lately for
the
simple reason that the 35mm form factor was the only one where "full
frame"
cameras mixed it with reduced format cameras.  Medium format hadn't
reached
that standard, while other formats never had an arbitrary measurement to
reach to qualify as "full frame".

Now I learn that Phase one has announced an upcoming product, and
significantly they called it "the world's first FULL FRAME 645 medium
format
camera system".  Their words, my emphasis.

So now another format has achieved the holy grail of "full frameness",
and
more are bound to follow.  What odds on a 6cm x 7cm digital sensor
within 5
years?  The Linhof Techno's ground glass screen for Leaf backs is
already
engraved with 71mm x 56mm format lines, so what trade secret do they
know? 

I'm sorry to tell you all this, but other format users will soon be
calling
their cameras "full frame", and they won't mean 24mm x 36mm.  

A lot of photographers will just need to "deal with it". 

Regards, Anthony

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> Subject: Re: Sony full frame A900, where's Pentax?
> 
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> 
> I think hell just froze over, but I have to agree with JCO here. Full
> Frame is technically just full frame for the basic format (As the new
> PhaseOne P65+ is 645 full frame) but in common usage it refers
> specifically to 24x36mm sensors on a 35mm platform. Common usage has
> already stuck as of several years ago and we'll all just need to deal
> with it.
> 
> --
> M. Adam Maas
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