Shel:

> Some people - perhaps repeating what they've heard elsewhere
> - contend that the M85/2.0 is a poor quality lens.. Not that
> many people have actually owned one, and speak only from
> ignorance.

I also think that the M 85/2 has been unfairly maligned.  It has previously been 
suggested by someone that there might be significant sample-to-sample variations that 
might account for some of the conflicting opinions.

I also have to admit to some prejudice against the M 85/2, before owning one (two, 
actually, for a time).  In an old thread here on the PDML I once said:

"I do have to note, though, that Pentax devoted the fewest number of aperture blades 
to the M 85 (i.e., 6, compared to 8 with the K, and 9 with the A* and FA*), the fewest 
number of lens elements (i.e., 5, compared to 6 with the K, 7 with the A*, and 8 with 
the FA*), and the fewest number of lens groups (i.e., 4, compared to 6 with the K and 
A*, and 7 with the FA*). Judging from numbers alone (which, admittedly, is not the 
only way to judge a lens, of course), it just might be euphemistically inferred that 
Pentax did not bring the full force of its design department to bear on this 
particular lens model."

Despite my preconceptions, I also found and reported:

"I found that, despite its small size, despite its relatively simple optical design, 
despite some of the complaints about it historically here on the PDML, and despite my 
own preconceptions, the M 85/2 is actually a pretty good little performer.  It was 
clearly not in the same league as the A* 85/1.4 for overall sharpness.  It did not 
have as good a bokeh as the A* or FA* 85/1.4's.  However, [HERESY ALERT !!!] it was 
not altogether different from the K 85/1.8 (no, not as good, but not horribly worse, 
either).  The M 85/2 turned out to be "the sleeper" in my tests.  Furthermore, both M 
85/2's seemed to be as identical as I could judge them to be."

> Good fortune has shined its light upon me, and I have
> several Pentax 85mm lenses - the SMCT 85/1.8, the K85/1.8,
> the A*85/1.4, and the lowly M85/2.0. While the 85/2.0
> doesn't reach to the same optical heights as the A*85/1.4,
> it is far from a bowser, and, because of some softness at
> wider apertures makes an excellent portrait lens. At smaller
> apertures it's a fine lens, certainly superior to many
> highly regarded zooms that list members fawn all over, at
> certainly the equal to many primes. It has a nice bokeh and
> soft-ish contrast, welcome characteristics for many
> photographs.

Agreed.

> It's also much smaller and lighter than the other 85mm
> lenses mentioned in this thread, which makes it a lot easier
> to handle and carry, and more unobtrusive to use. It's
> nowhere near as intimidating as the A*85/1.4 or its
> autofocus younger sibling. It's not an optical giant, but an
> overlooked, quiet, unassuming, hard worker, capable of
> producing some very nice photographs. There's a particular
> former editor of a national photo magazine who was, and may
> still be, very interested in acquiring this lens. And while
> I prefer the K85/1.8 as my 85mm lens of choice, there's
> always a place for the giant A*85/1.4 and the capable
> M85/2.0. Don't underestimate this optic.

Good points, Shel.

Fred
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