FWIW, I do *TRY* not to get political here, but ...

From: "William Robb"
From: "P. J. Alling"
> Cuba, Nicaragua, Peoples Republic of Congo, North Vietnam, how global do > you want it to be?

Not sure about the Congo, other than it was more of a UN failure (and Belgium bailing on very short notice) that caused Lumumba to ASK the USSR for help.

Most of what's wrong in the Congo can be blamed on Belgium's tenure. Immediately after granting independence, Belgium appears to have had a hand in fomenting the revolt in Katanga. Lumumba appears to have turned to the Soviets when the UN and the US refused to act.

U.S. inaction based on somebody called Lumumba a communist, and instead of doing something to woo him away from the comunists we pushed him into their arms.

Plus, he was assassinated within six months; an "action" for which the U.S. and the CIA would be blamed for 47 years.

(The Belgian government finally admitted their responsibility in 2008.)

I'm pretty sure that embargoing Cuba had something to do with them approaching Russia.

In many ways the Cuban Revolution is a classic example of blow-back, especially from different agencies of the U.S. government working at cross purposes. The U.S. tried to play both sides against the middle and lost. We'd have still lost if Castro had been defeated.

I will grant that the Eisenhower administration, pushed from the right in Congress, was reluctant to impose the embargo that ultimately undercut the moderate non-communists in the Cuban Revolution and opened the door for the USSR to step in.

One interesting note is how the CIA's role assisting the Castro brothers' & Che Guevara's travel from Mexico to Cuba in 1956 redounded to our benefit much the same way Imperial Germany's decision to assist Lenin in his return to Russia in 1917 later benefited the Germans.

Nicaragua might have gone differently if the USA had not backed the Contras. (and when did diplomatic ties automatically mean conquest anyway?)

Ultimately US backing for the Contras had less effect in Nicaragua than it had in Southern California. The Sandinista government was removed from power at the ballot box.

And the ballot box brought them back, then removed them again ...

North Vietnam also had strong diplomatic ties to Russia, but this would only be construed as a Soviet conquest by the very paranoid.

Mostly North Vietnam courted the USSR as a counter to China, which they saw (and still see) as a bigger threat than the U.S.

The U.S. screwed the pooch early with Vietnam. We had the opportunity to support a truly democratic government in Vietnam at the end of WWII.

Guess what document Ho Chi Minh plagiarized heavily for his "Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam"?

Here's a clue: "All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Instead, we supported French efforts to re-impose colonial rule over their former "empire". It was a decision that ultimately ended up screwing not only the U.S., but France and Vietnam. "North Vietnam" is an artificial construct "created" when the U.S. convinced "South Vietnam" to abrogate the 1954 Geneva Accords.

As with Cuba, U.S. actions undercut non-communist parties in what started as a multi-party democracy, resulting in a marxist totalitarian state.

My point is that in each of these cases, the U.S. action brought about a result completely at odds with U.S. stated goals, and that we are today paying additional costs for not being true to our ideals.





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