Photo-wise, I like "unretouched" ones better.  I can understand,
however, that she wants to look younger.  I agree with Bob about that
937 is a bit too much.  I'm not sure, however, I would  know how to do
40.  I usually go straight from 55 to cartoon.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Bob Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry,
> Interesting photos and retouching, but a bit too much I think.
> You've made her go from 50+ to 30 in one quick photoshop.
> I would think 40 years old would be a more realistic target.
> People will ask where her daughter is...
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>>> On 10-11-02 4:24 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>> One of my tango instructors wanted some photos for her website, and we 
>>>> spent a few hours this afternoon playing with camera and lights. It 
>>>> started off a little rough, but once we hit our stride, we got some decent 
>>>> shots:
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625294995780/
>>>>
>>>> You may find them easier to look at using this link:
>>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625294995780/
>>>
>>> Larry, I really like the idea of the more dramatic posed shots, 
>>> 56143-56165, and especially 56165.  But I find the lighting just too even 
>>> and flat for the subject. I'd like to see more drama! Need some shadows, 
>>> dude. :)
>>
>> I agree entirely that those poses need shadows. Unfortunately, we were 
>> running out of time and my attempts to quickly change the lighting were 
>> quite unsuccessful in that they ended up not with dramatic shadows, just 
>> areas where you could sort of see what was going on, but not well.  
>> Lightening the shadows worked a lot better than trying to darken them.  I 
>> certainly hope to redo 143-146 with more dramatic lighting.
>>
>>>  And you could try b&w conversions on those too. Besides being compatible 
>>> with the dramatic angles, it would be more flattering for her skin I think.
>>
>> Interesting point.  I'll give that a try.
>>>
>>> Your lines removal is pretty successful, but I see some kind of artifacting 
>>> in there. Some oversharpening at some point in the workflow perhaps?
>>
>> All I did was apply a lightroom brush, with sharpness and clarity cranked 
>> full negative, to her face, trying to leave key edges (lips, chin, 
>> eyebrows...) intact.
>>
>>>
>>> You caught some great candid expressions in those headshots.
>>>
>>> Good work, Larry!
>>
>> Thanks a bunch.
>>
>> This is the first time I've done this sort of photo shoot with a woman who 
>> was over 50. She was rather perturbed over how many more wrinkles she had 
>> than a year ago.  I don't want full on flat lighting, but some sort of 
>> straight on fill  might soften the wrinkles.  I can't really afford to buy 
>> toys right now, but would one of these ring flash adapters help?
>>
>> http://www.ray-flash.com/
>> http://www.ringflash-adapter.com/
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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