On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Adam Maas
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM, paul stenquist <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 14, 2010, at 3:39 PM, John Francis wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:10:29PM -0000, Bob W wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Odd. I use Word all day, every day. Save all manuscripts as docs 
>>>>>> >>>> and have
>>>>>> >>>> never had a problem.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I think it can get its panties stuck up its crack if the document 
>>>>> >>> template
>>>>> >>> gets messed up. I've been using it day in, day out for donkeys' years 
>>>>> >>> and in
>>>>> >>> most situations it seems to be ok if you can keep things simple. At 
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> place I'm working now, though, they have it set up so that users 
>>>>> >>> can't set
>>>>> >>> up and use their own default template and I find that the file sizes 
>>>>> >>> inflate
>>>>> >>> really quickly for some reason which I haven't discovered yet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's usually because history versioning is turned on. ?Turn it off and
>>>> >> document sizes revert to something a lot more reasonable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That said, however: a .doc file (or a .pdf) is *not* the way to store 
>>>> >> plain
>>>> >> text, which is a concept that I struggle to get across to some people. 
>>>> >> ?I don't
>>>> >> want a 2MB binary email attachment that I have to open in an external 
>>>> >> program,
>>>> >> and I don't want a .doc file attached as a "comment" in a project 
>>>> >> tracker.
>>> >
>>> > Then you're different than all the publishers out there. I have never 
>>> > encountered
>>> > a magazine or newspaper that didn't want .doc files. They're the industry 
>>> > standard.
>>> > Yes, they may suck, but they're the industry standard.
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>> Industry standard for a reason, much of which is the assists you get
>> with a good Word Processor. For smaller chunks of text I like text
>> editors just fine (as well as larger chunks of code), but when I want
>> to write anything serious I use Word for the combination of spelling &
>> grammar checks, the Thesaurus and the formatting capabilities.
> 
> "Industry standard" because of Micro$ofts well known monopoly market 
> manipulations.
> 
> And the "formatting capabilities" are what makes me condemn Micro$oft to the 
> nether regions of hell. Auto-format should be off by default and anyone who 
> needs it can turn it on.
> 
> Micro$oft's programmers don't know what they're doing, how the hell they 
> going to know better than I do what I want to do? I don't really mind them 
> putting all the gew-gaws in there, but I do mind them making it so difficult 
> to turn that crap off.
> 
> Why should I have to fight the software to write what *I* want to write the 
> way *I* want to write it?
> 
Simple answer: To make it easy for those of us who work with the same kind of 
document every day -- writers. One inch margins and 12 point Times New Roman 
will do fine thank you. Click on Word and get to work. It's a word processor. 
It's software for writers. Works fine.
Paul

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